WesWorld

Ok, had two previous posts with full planebuilders, which are terribly long as a result.

RA suggested a boiled down version, which is what I used to do because itis sensible. But it lacks enough to reverse engineer. On the other hand Planebuilder's standard report is badly formated and omits some things you might want to see.

However, that got me to thinking- there are really only a couple of variables that matter that get missed. Structure, airstrip type, max speed, max g, stall speed, cleaness, unstreamlined cross-section tacked on to RA's or my boiled down versions would go a long way towards reverse-engineering the design.

So I came up with a hybrid. Which still isn't satisfactory.

So I'm reposting the bombers (added a crewmen to 115 also) see if this is a more readible format, while still having all the information.

Then- what do we want to do- plane builder? boiled down? or mix?

So here goes. All stats at max weight.

===Fokker T.VII===

Name : Fokker T.VII
Type : Medium Bomber
Undercarriage : Rough Field
Crew : 6

Weight (max) : 19,500 lbs
Dimensions : Length : 49 ft. Wingspan : 69 ft. Wing Area : 490sq. ft.
Wingloading : 39.8 lb/sq. ft.
Powerplant : 2 x Avia Pegasus 965hp radials, supercharged 13,000 ft.
Powerplant weight: 2x 1,180lbs
Power/weight ratio : 0.099hp/lb

Armament : 2x single 7.92mm turrets nose/tail, 2x twin 7.92mm turrets dorsal/ ventral.
Bomb load : 4,372 payload
Armor : none

Range : 1,200nm (1,382mph) at 170kts
Rate of climb : 946 fpm
Max speed : 240kts (276mph)
Ceiling : 27,000 ft.
radius : 2,722 ft.
Loaded Stall speed : 78 knts (90mph)

Limiting Airspeed : 261kts
Wing Ultimate g Load : 9G
Structural Factor : 1.0
Cleanness : 79%
Unstreamlined section : 5.1 sq. ft

===Design 115===

Name : Fokker Design 115
Type : Heavy Bomber
Undercarriage : Rough Field
Crew : 6

Weight (max) : 36,377 lbs
Dimensions : Length : 77.4 ft. Wingspan : 104 ft. Wing Area : 1,212sq. ft.
Wingloading : 30.0 lb/sq. ft.
Powerplant : 4 x Avia Pegasus 965hp radials, supercharged 13,000 ft.
Powerplant weight: 4x 1,180lbs
Power/weight ratio : 0.106hp/lb

Armament : 2x single 7.92mm turrets nose/tail, 2x twin 7.92mm turrets dorsal/ ventral.
Bomb load : 6,033 payload
Armor : none

Range : 1,620nm (1,865mile) at 151kts
Rate of climb : 1,083 fpm
Max speed : 232kts (267mph)
Ceiling : 30,250 ft.
radius : 2,092 ft.
Loaded Stall speed : 68 knts (78mph)

Limiting Airspeed : 261kts
Wing Ultimate g Load : 8G
Structural Factor : 1.0
Cleanness : 79%
Unstreamlined section : 10.1 sq. ft

===Design 119===

Name : Fokker Design 119
Type : Heavy Bomber
Undercarriage : Rough Field
Crew : 6

Weight (max) : 66,700 lbs, specs are for 62,486
Dimensions : Length : 78 ft. Wingspan : 124 ft. Wing Area : 2,160sq. ft.
Wingloading : 30.9 lb/sq. ft.
Powerplant : 4 x Jumo 211A 1,085hp inline, supercharged 13,000 ft.
Powerplant weight: 4x 1,687lbs
Power/weight ratio : 0.065hp/lb

Armament : 2x single 7.92mm turrets nose/tail, 2x twin 7.92mm turrets dorsal/ ventral.
Bomb load : 10,000lb payload, 14,000lb possible with further performance loss.
Armor : none

Range : 1,620nm (1,865mile) at 151kts
Rate of climb : 474 fpm
Max speed : 209kts (240 mph)
Ceiling : 21,000 ft.
radius : 2,118 ft.
Loaded Stall speed : 69 knts (79mph)

Limiting Airspeed : 261kts
Wing Ultimate g Load : 9G
Structural Factor : 1.0
Cleanness : 79%
Unstreamlined section : 7.1 sq. ft

===D.XIXb===

Name : Fokker D.XIXb
Type : Carrier capable fighter
Undercarriage : Carrier or Rough Field
Crew : 1

Weight (max) : 4,625lbs
Dimensions : Length : 25.9 ft. Wingspan : 35 ft. Wing Area : 226sq. ft.
Wingloading : 20.46 lb/sq. ft.
Powerplant : 1 x Hispano-Suiza 12Y-brs 862hphp inline, supercharged 12,000 ft.
Powerplant weight: 1x 1,036lbs
Power/weight ratio : 0.186hp/lb

Armament : 2x 7.92mm, 2x 13.2mm
Bomb load : none
Armor : 10mm disk behind pilot.

Range : 405nm (466mile) at 150kts
Rate of climb : 2,460 fpm
Max speed : 281kts (323 mph)
Ceiling : 37,950 ft.
radius : 1,556 ft.
Loaded Stall speed : 60 knts (69mph)

Limiting Airspeed : 375kts
Wing Ultimate g Load : 15G
Structural Factor : 1.0
Cleanness : 79%
Unstreamlined section : 1.6 sq. ft

Well is neat and clean as boiled down versions are I'm sure its helpfull to some to see a full report as with ships, that way theres no fudging numbers and others can comment on either realism or flaws.

Ok, I'll stick to just cut & paste of the Planebuilder for "Aircraft Design" posts and continue using the boiled down version in my encyclopedia. I don't think I'll bother reposting the D115 with 6 instead of 5 crew though, they're close enough.

Readibility- doing the best I can. - Trying to use bolds to separate planes, alternately I could make 1 plane per post, or 1 plane/reply on a thread. Optimally the best would be 1 at a time, but way things are I tend to have time in chunks here and there, so bunches come out at once.

I've been posting all new designs out of Atlantis on the aircraft design board as well in an effort to keep the tech level public.

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
I've been posting all new designs out of Atlantis on the aircraft design board as well in an effort to keep the tech level public.

I suppose thats a reasonable idea for the non-historical designs.

Well as I've no spreadsheet capability and installing any such would likely kill this nearly nine-year-old dinosaur, I'll be sticking to historical- or mostly-historical designs.