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A few previously announced indiginous types will be entering FAB service in 1934, including the Embraer EMB-34 (LACAB GR.8) and EMB-35 (Bellanca 29-90), and the Sienar V-19 (Brewster SBA).

Meanwhile the R&D departments have been busy. Over the course of 1934, the following new designs will be flown:

EMBRAER EMB-36
(Renard R.36 )

Single-seat pursuit
Engine: 1 x Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs, 910hp
Armament: one engine-mounted 20mm cannon and four wing-mounted 7.7mm machine guns.
Top speed: 505 km/h
Range: 1000 km
All metal construction
(Historical first flight 5 November 1937)

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Sienar Fleet Systems V-25
(Hall XPTBH-2 )

Four-seat patrol torpedo bomber seaplane
Engine: 2 x Pratt & Whitney R-1830-60, 800hp each
Armament: Three 7.7mm machine guns, 750kg bombs or one torpedo
Top speed: 292 km/h
Range: 2415 km
(Historical first flight 1937)

That seaplane is fugly, but man is that fighter nice. I hope that's what Imperial fighters (*cue Imperial March*) will take their design cues from in the future.

So how long until you can product a Twin Inline Engine Fighter?

Theres always a way....



This was actually built in RL.

Australia will be producing a twin inline inline (no its not a mistake) fighter.

Looks like a Revell P-40 fuselage with two P-40 engines. The other one is the P-40Q?

I guess Curtiss wanted to copy the Grumman Skyrocket.

The only concern I'd have about the new Brazilian fighter is the pilot's view (well, and the availability of Hispano-Suiza engines, but in WW that's probably better than historical).

...not to mention its faster than most fighters of the larger nations.

Why purchase a huge amount of the I-100 Barron, then produce a fighter of similar capability's, unless money is not an issue...

That order was seriously downsized, to (I think) 192 aircraft. That was probably done because of the availability of this new design to be produced indigenously without licensing fees.

Oh, and for the love of God, would you all quit harping on that order? FYI, Switzerland had in 1945 a population of 4.41 million and an air force that had 454 frontline fighters. In 1934 WesWorld Brazil has a population of 36.4 million and maybe a couple hundred fighters fit for frontline duty.

RA, I've seen a photo on a forum supposedly of the twin engined P-40 but it seemed a fake. There is no proof it ever was flown if built at all.

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Originally posted by Fyrwulf
That order was seriously downsized, to (I think) 192 aircraft. That was probably done because of the availability of this new design to be produced indigenously without licensing fees.

Oh, and for the love of God, would you all quit harping on that order? FYI, Switzerland had in 1945 a population of 4.41 million and an air force that had 454 frontline fighters. In 1934 WesWorld Brazil has a population of 36.4 million and maybe a couple hundred fighters fit for frontline duty.

One word, Economy.

Oh and for the love of God, I knew the order was since down sized.

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Originally posted by Desertfox
Looks like a Revell P-40 fuselage with two P-40 engines. The other one is the P-40Q?

Yes. Only P-40 that looked good. Pity it came too late.

148 I-100s, actually.

Who said the EMB-36 is going to be produced? The next major fighter for the FAB (...barring emergency overseas purchases...) won't enter service until 1939:

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Originally posted by Hood
RA, I've seen a photo on a forum supposedly of the twin engined P-40 but it seemed a fake. There is no proof it ever was flown if built at all.

It was mentioned over at secret projects. I think it was established that it was just a mock up. If it actually got off the ground it would be a real dog.

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
One word, Economy.

Which is exactly my point. There's no exact data, but at a guess I'd say Switzerland's GDP in 1945 was roughly $35,000 per person, or a total GDP (given the previously mentioned population) of $154,350,000,000. Given a GDP per capita in 1934 of about $6,000 and the previously mentioned population, Brazil has a total economy of 218,400,000,000. Assuming, for the sake of simplicity, that they both spend 10% of their GDP on defense, that results in defense budgets of $15,435,000,000 and $21,840,000,000 respectively.

It's all very well to wave your hand and say "economy" as if it's some Jedi trick, but in the face of hard numbers it doesn't exactly work all the time. Frankly, I see no problem with Brazil having around the same number of frontline fighters in the 1930s with a larger total economy that the Swiss had in 1945 (when, I shouldn't have to say, fighters are more advanced and more expensive.)

Downsize the fighter order and build lots more bombers instead. Far better for threatening the SAE with.

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Originally posted by Fyrwulf

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
One word, Economy.

Which is exactly my point. There's no exact data, but at a guess I'd say Switzerland's GDP in 1945 was roughly $35,000 per person, or a total GDP (given the previously mentioned population) of $154,350,000,000. Given a GDP per capita in 1934 of about $6,000 and the previously mentioned population, Brazil has a total economy of 218,400,000,000. Assuming, for the sake of simplicity, that they both spend 10% of their GDP on defense, that results in defense budgets of $15,435,000,000 and $21,840,000,000 respectively.

It's all very well to wave your hand and say "economy" as if it's some Jedi trick, but in the face of hard numbers it doesn't exactly work all the time. Frankly, I see no problem with Brazil having around the same number of frontline fighters in the 1930s with a larger total economy that the Swiss had in 1945 (when, I shouldn't have to say, fighters are more advanced and more expensive.)

...and how much of that defence budget is spent on Brazils army?

At a guess? Probably close to a third. Considering that there are only 24 active divisions (compared to France's 80), the Exercito doesn't require a great deal of money. Also keep in mind that Switzerland is a massive armoury, every able-bodied male is in the service in some capacity, even if it's the reserves. That's expensive in its own right.

I'd like to know where your getting your population stats.

But is that number just fighters or all aircraft? According to my rough calculations, counting aircraft in-service and on-order per early 1934, the FAB has ~660 combat aircraft, ~150 transports, and an indeterminate number of trainers (need to calculate that) - which is a little sharp in the tooth-to-tail ratio but the combat a/c number seems about right to me (perhaps a normal peacetime max of 750?).