WesWorld

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I actually rather like this ship and might have to lay a couple down soon.

If you want them soon, then you should try and see if you can free up some materials so you can start building them in 1933. That way you won't have to wait until 1936 to build them. If you don't have enough Light Cruiser category tonnage available, just arrange an impressive 'Accident', Filipino Style (the "Smoking is only allowed in the Ammunition Room" variant perhaps).
:-)

Ah, but I have the Basilans to build in 33..

I'll build Basilan and Negros, then the four ships of this class throughout 34-36.

Well, if you think the Basilan is more important...

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Well, if you think the Basilan is more important...

It is, really.. I need the large CAs awfully.

You could always get Walter to build you some awful* large CAs...

(* Ugly Funnel Syndrome! Aiiieeee!)

Oh, that's not what you meant?

A few final tweaks and a drawing - I really like the way this ship looks, it's probably the prettiest I've drawn.

The final misc weight breakdown ditches the seaplane (not enough space) in favor of a small minelaying capacity.

I've named the ship Tawitawi with one possible sister ship, Biliran.



Tawitawi, Filipino cruiser laid down 1936

Displacement:
3,187 t light; 3,327 t standard; 3,948 t normal; 4,445 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
437.74 ft / 433.07 ft x 41.01 ft x 17.29 ft (normal load)
133.42 m / 132.00 m x 12.50 m x 5.27 m

Armament:
6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (3x2 guns), 106.92lbs / 48.50kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 13.23lbs / 6.00kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
6 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 706 lbs / 320 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 24.0" / 610 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 379.92 ft / 115.80 m 7.68 ft / 2.34 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 135 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 48,145 shp / 35,916 Kw = 32.50 kts
Range 9,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,117 tons

Complement:
248 - 323

Cost:
£1.962 million / $7.848 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 85 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 405 tons, 10.3 %
- Belts: 182 tons, 4.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 41 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 171 tons, 4.3 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,351 tons, 34.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,221 tons, 30.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 761 tons, 19.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 3.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,053 lbs / 931 Kg = 19.9 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, raised quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.56 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.79 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.98 ft / 6.70 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m (15.42 ft / 4.70 m aft of break)
- Mid (60 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m (15.42 ft / 4.70 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.42 ft / 4.70 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m before break)
- Stern: 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Average freeboard: 15.80 ft / 4.82 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 131.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.9 %
Waterplane Area: 11,768 Square feet or 1,093 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 57 lbs/sq ft or 277 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.69
- Longitudinal: 1.63
- Overall: 0.75
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


Misc weight:
50t - Minelaying capacity (20 mines)
50t - torpedoes + reloads
25t - climatisation

You know... those 75mm guns look awfully familiar. ^_^

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
You know... those 75mm guns look awfully familiar. ^_^

They are quite Japanese. Modified and upgraded since 1926, of course...

Nice drawing, really. She has an Indian touch, IMHO.

Regarding her main and secondary guns I wonder if those are really deck mounts on the drawing. Both batteries seem to be sitting on barbets which is not very likely for deck mounts even with hoists...

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Nice drawing, really. She has an Indian touch, IMHO.

Regarding her main and secondary guns I wonder if those are really deck mounts on the drawing. Both batteries seem to be sitting on barbets which is not very likely for deck mounts even with hoists...

I stole/licensed the 75mm weapon and drawing from Walter. They are intended to be deck mounts w/hoists..

The weapons are a bit big for 75mm guns imho anyways, they look about the size of my 115mm. I may redraw them.

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I like the hull of this ship enough that I might build several variants. Here's an AA cruiser with the aforementioned 115mm twins instead of 150mm guns. One quad torp launcher has been dropped in exchange for a slightly larger minelaying capacity, as well:



Tawitawi-mod, Filipino cruiser laid down 1933

Displacement:
3,163 t light; 3,296 t standard; 3,948 t normal; 4,470 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
437.74 ft / 433.07 ft x 41.01 ft x 17.29 ft (normal load)
133.42 m / 132.00 m x 12.50 m x 5.27 m

Armament:
8 - 4.53" / 115 mm guns (4x2 guns), 48.50lbs / 22.00kg shells, 1933 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 4.53" / 115 mm guns (2x2 guns), 48.50lbs / 22.00kg shells, 1933 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all amidships, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1933 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
6 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1933 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 593 lbs / 269 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 24.0" / 610 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 379.92 ft / 115.80 m 7.68 ft / 2.34 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 135 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 48,145 shp / 35,916 Kw = 32.50 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,174 tons

Complement:
248 - 323

Cost:
£1.895 million / $7.581 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 71 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 407 tons, 10.3 %
- Belts: 182 tons, 4.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 44 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 171 tons, 4.3 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,351 tons, 34.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,209 tons, 30.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 785 tons, 19.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 3.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,134 lbs / 968 Kg = 46.0 x 4.5 " / 115 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, raised quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.56 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.79 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.98 ft / 6.70 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m (15.42 ft / 4.70 m aft of break)
- Mid (60 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m (15.42 ft / 4.70 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.42 ft / 4.70 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m before break)
- Stern: 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Average freeboard: 15.80 ft / 4.82 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.9 %
Waterplane Area: 11,768 Square feet or 1,093 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 56 lbs/sq ft or 274 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.69
- Longitudinal: 1.60
- Overall: 0.75
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


Misc weight:
75t - Minelaying capacity (30 mines)
25t - torpedoes + reloads
25t - climatisation