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Well, the Rock doctor suggested i should post the design in case anybody were interested.
Feedback both on the design and the image would be great!

She is immune to 20cm guns at most expected combat ranges (something like at least 14km-22km), and her 84k kW engines give her a speed equal to most cruiser, and still fast enough to avoid almost all battleships.

Vedergällning, Pick one Battlecruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
19 211 t light; 20 000 t standard; 22 143 t normal; 23 858 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
705,61 ft / 692,26 ft x 85,30 ft x 26,90 ft (normal load)
215,07 m / 211,00 m x 26,00 m x 8,20 m

Armament:
8 - 11,14" / 283 mm guns (4x2 guns), 727,53lbs / 330,00kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4,72" / 120 mm guns (8x2 guns), 52,91lbs / 24,00kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1,76lbs / 0,80kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 709 lbs / 3 043 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,27" / 210 mm 446,19 ft / 136,00 m 11,48 ft / 3,50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,50" / 38 mm 446,19 ft / 136,00 m 32,81 ft / 10,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8,66" / 220 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 7,87" / 200 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 1,57" / 40 mm
3rd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 112 600 shp / 84 000 Kw = 31,94 kts
Range 6 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 858 tons

Complement:
906 - 1 179

Cost:
£9,136 million / $36,545 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 803 tons, 3,6 %
Armour: 6 026 tons, 27,2 %
- Belts: 1 798 tons, 8,1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 810 tons, 3,7 %
- Armament: 1 355 tons, 6,1 %
- Armour Deck: 2 063 tons, 9,3 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0 %
Machinery: 3 199 tons, 14,4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9 024 tons, 40,8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 932 tons, 13,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 160 tons, 0,7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
33 499 lbs / 15 195 Kg = 48,4 x 11,1 " / 283 mm shells or 5,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
Roll period: 15,5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,488
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,12 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30,59 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Mid (50 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Stern: 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Average freeboard: 21,72 ft / 6,62 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181,4 %
Waterplane Area: 40 457 Square feet or 3 759 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 753 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,37
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Looks pretty similar, in a lot of ways, to the currently under construction German Blucher class CBs. A hair smaller, a bit faster, but not as good a sea-boat and a bit less deck armor.



Blucher, German Large Cruiser laid down 1931
Displacement:
20,038 t light; 20,982 t standard; 22,598 t normal; 23,890 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
711.67 ft / 688.98 ft x 82.84 ft x 25.43 ft (normal load)
216.92 m / 210.00 m x 25.25 m x 7.75 m

Armament:
9 - 11.14" / 283 mm guns (3x3 guns), 727.53lbs / 330.00kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
16 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
2 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (1x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,208 lbs / 3,270 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.27" / 210 mm 444.39 ft / 135.45 m 10.93 ft / 3.33 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.18" / 30 mm 444.39 ft / 135.45 m 23.26 ft / 7.09 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.51" / 140 mm 8.27" / 210 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

- Armour deck: 3.54" / 90 mm, Conning tower: 6.69" / 170 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 104,837 shp / 78,208 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,908 tons

Complement:
921 - 1,198

Cost:
£8.130 million / $32.520 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 861 tons, 3.8 %
Armour: 6,430 tons, 28.5 %
- Belts: 1,705 tons, 7.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 452 tons, 2.0 %
- Armament: 1,452 tons, 6.4 %
- Armour Deck: 2,705 tons, 12.0 %
- Conning Tower: 115 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,135 tons, 13.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,493 tons, 42.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,559 tons, 11.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35,373 lbs / 16,045 Kg = 51.2 x 11.1 " / 283 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.545
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.32 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.24 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 33.63 ft / 10.25 m
- Forecastle (21 %): 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.79 ft / 7.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 23.79 ft / 7.25 m
- Stern: 23.79 ft / 7.25 m
- Average freeboard: 24.82 ft / 7.56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 204.6 %
Waterplane Area: 41,271 Square feet or 3,834 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 156 lbs/sq ft or 761 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.53
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

120 tons reserved for aircraft and future growth

Both of which will finally put El Cid into retirement - nearly 20 years after she was commissioned

...Due to be commissioned by mid-1933.



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Capitan Oyama

Chilean Heavy Armoured Cruiser laid down 1930

Displacement:
22,745 t light; 23,671 t standard; 27,000 t normal; 29,555 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
738.00 ft / 720.00 ft x 92.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load)
224.94 m / 219.46 m x 28.04 m x 8.84 m

Armament:
9 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (3x3 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1930 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (10x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1930 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1930 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5,349 lbs / 2,426 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.50" / 216 mm 470.00 ft / 143.26 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 470.00 ft / 143.26 m 26.00 ft / 7.92 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.50" / 216 mm 4.13" / 105 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 4.13" / 105 mm 4.13" / 105 mm 4.00" / 102 mm
3rd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 8.50" / 216 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 3 shafts, 150,000 shp / 111,900 Kw = 33.41 kts
Range 8,000nm at 20.00 kts (Bunkerage = 5,991 tons)

Complement:
1,053 - 1,369

Cost:
£8.339 million / $33.356 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 669 tons, 2.5 %
Armour: 7,382 tons, 27.3 %
- Belts: 2,038 tons, 7.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 452 tons, 1.7 %
- Armament: 1,356 tons, 5.0 %
- Armour Deck: 3,371 tons, 12.5 %
- Conning Tower: 165 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 4,545 tons, 16.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,074 tons, 37.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,255 tons, 15.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
31,655 lbs / 14,359 Kg = 63.3 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 4.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.492
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.83 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.27 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.82 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.00 ft / 9.45 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Mid (50 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 23.86 ft / 7.27 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 193.0 %
Waterplane Area: 45,554 Square feet or 4,232 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 744 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.46
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

The response from Down Under.


HMAS Tasmania/Bismark, Australia Battlecruiser laid down 1934

Displacement:
19,199 t light; 20,207 t standard; 21,939 t normal; 23,325 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
736.23 ft / 720.00 ft x 79.00 ft x 27.00 ft (normal load)
224.40 m / 219.46 m x 24.08 m x 8.23 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x4 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1934 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (2x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1934 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1934 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
20 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (5x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
20 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8,244 lbs / 3,739 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 2.90" / 74 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 111,898 shp / 83,476 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,118 tons

Complement:
900 - 1,171

Cost:
£9.760 million / $39.042 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,030 tons, 4.7 %
Armour: 4,869 tons, 22.2 %
- Belts: 1,397 tons, 6.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,205 tons, 5.5 %
- Armour Deck: 2,114 tons, 9.6 %
- Conning Tower: 152 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 3,219 tons, 14.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,030 tons, 45.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,741 tons, 12.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
29,934 lbs / 13,578 Kg = 34.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.87
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.11 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.85 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.30 ft / 1.01 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.00 ft / 9.75 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (30 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Quarterdeck (22 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 23.26 ft / 7.09 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 189.8 %
Waterplane Area: 39,411 Square feet or 3,661 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 167 lbs/sq ft or 816 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.64
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

LOL, folks, go build them. it's gonna come out of your capital ship tonnage, remember?

A quad 12" turret on a beam of 24m? Especially two of them mounted forward? Not going to work well, at all, the barbettes would be too big for the hull around them to be very strong.

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LOL, folks, go build them. it's gonna come out of your capital ship tonnage, remember?

Doesn't, it seems, apply to the Australians, and Germany's building them to get back into the capital ship game. Besides, 2 of them use up only enough tonnage for 1 heavy ship, leaving me tonnage for 4 full size BBs and the hull allocations to allow me to do so.

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Both of which will finally put El Cid into retirement - nearly 20 years after she was commissioned

Only 11 years after she was commissioned in the case of Blucher, since El Cid was laid down in 1920 and Blucher in 1931.

Well, mine is almost finished...and El Cid is close at hand.

The Armored Cruiser Capitan Tylor is a Spithead, but she's only got 8 inch guns. 16 of them, but only 8 inch. Her speed is somewhat lacking and her armor is slightly less than the Oyama, but she's be nasty in a fight with some of these. Oyama is the correction of the errors of the Tylor.

And Chile need no worry about treaty tonnage.

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Originally posted by LordArpad
Both of which will finally put El Cid into retirement - nearly 20 years after she was commissioned

I see your El Cid and raise you two Vengeance class BC's.

Vedergällning: I like her, I'm sure someday I'll grow to love her tower though :-P

Only 90 main shells?

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin

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Originally posted by LordArpad
Both of which will finally put El Cid into retirement - nearly 20 years after she was commissioned

I see your El Cid and raise you two Vengeance class BC's.

Vedergällning: I like her, I'm sure someday I'll grow to love her tower though :-P

Only 90 main shells?

Hm, yes it is on the low side, maybe should look into some tweaking of the armour scheme.
But i dont know if anybody noticed that the torpedo bulkhead also covers the full height of the main belt, and meets the armoured deck at the top of the main belt. This means tat a shell that penetrates the belt still have to get trough the 4cm bulkhead.

Hrolf Hakonson : Yes she is sacry similar to your Blücher, but what can i say, great minds think alike?

Quite a nice design and similar my own above. More speed, less armour. Just depends on what your priorities are.

Korpen, I think the main problems with your design lie in the detail. Need separate boiler/turbine rooms for better torpedo protection > two funnels. Deckspace seems to be a bit of an issue when light guns are added. I went for a similar method in making the Atpbh taller to act as a splinter plate.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

Quite a nice design and similar my own above. More speed, less armour. Just depends on what your priorities are.

Korpen, I think the main problems with your design lie in the detail. Need separate boiler/turbine rooms for better torpedo protection > two funnels. Deckspace seems to be a bit of an issue when light guns are added. I went for a similar method in making the Atpbh taller to act as a splinter plate.

Very nice ship, more dangerous to capital ships, less dangerous to a cruisers then mine.
The reason i like ships in this size is just this fact that the different design priorities is so distinct.

I think i am willing to take the penalty of using only one funnel, i prefer the look of single funnelled ships.
But i don't think deckspace is much of a problem of the ship, i felt there are plenty of open spaces on her,
but i have made some modifications on the layout and placement of the 40mm guns (image below).
Also made her 1m thinner, (with the resulting loss of survivability) as that allowed me to increase the deck to 75mm and add 10 shells per gun.
Added platforms on the hangar and funnel as well, mainly for putting 20mm guns on (20mm guns not drawn).
The only dead angle for the AA is from low astern, so maybe i should move a pair of 40mm from the funnel position to the transom to cover it?


Vedergällningen, Pick one Battlecruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
19 173 t light; 20 000 t standard; 22 147 t normal; 23 865 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
709,02 ft / 695,54 ft x 82,02 ft x 27,56 ft (normal load)
216,11 m / 212,00 m x 25,00 m x 8,40 m

Armament:
8 - 11,14" / 283 mm guns (4x2 guns), 727,53lbs / 330,00kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4,72" / 120 mm guns (8x2 guns), 52,91lbs / 24,00kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1,76lbs / 0,80kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (12x1 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on side, all raised guns
Weight of broadside 6 712 lbs / 3 044 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,27" / 210 mm 452,76 ft / 138,00 m 11,48 ft / 3,50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,50" / 38 mm 452,76 ft / 138,00 m 32,81 ft / 10,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8,66" / 220 mm 4,25" / 108 mm 7,87" / 200 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 1,57" / 40 mm
3rd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 112 601 shp / 84 000 Kw = 31,94 kts
Range 6 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 864 tons

Complement:
907 - 1 180

Cost:
£9,131 million / $36,524 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 803 tons, 3,6 %
Armour: 6 133 tons, 27,7 %
- Belts: 1 814 tons, 8,2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 822 tons, 3,7 %
- Armament: 1 351 tons, 6,1 %
- Armour Deck: 2 145 tons, 9,7 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0 %
Machinery: 3 199 tons, 14,4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 878 tons, 40,1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 974 tons, 13,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 160 tons, 0,7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
32 564 lbs / 14 771 Kg = 47,1 x 11,1 " / 283 mm shells or 4,9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
Metacentric height 4,8 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 15,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,59
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,493
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,48 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30,53 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,57 ft / 8,10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Mid (50 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Stern: 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Average freeboard: 21,75 ft / 6,63 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,9 %
Waterplane Area: 39 272 Square feet or 3 649 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 746 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,37
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


Btw, Vedergällningen means " the retribution" or " the retaliation".

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Btw, Vedergällning means "retribution" or "retaliation".

Hmmmmmm

that is very useful to know, I think one of the BB33's might gain that name

I've been playing with the Idea recently from a Danish perspective, and this is what I came up with......

Still a work in progress......

Thor, Denmark Capital Cruiser laid down 1934

Displacement:
19,548 t light; 20,489 t standard; 22,200 t normal; 23,569 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
750.85 ft / 721.00 ft x 82.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
228.86 m / 219.76 m x 24.99 m x 7.62 m

Armament:
9 - 9.84" / 250 mm guns (3x3 guns), 476.75lbs / 216.25kg shells, 1934 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
14 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (7x2 guns), 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1934 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
32 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (1x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mount
on side, all raised guns
Weight of broadside 5,075 lbs / 2,302 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 170
8 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 450.30 ft / 137.25 m 10.73 ft / 3.27 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.18" / 30 mm 450.30 ft / 137.25 m 21.10 ft / 6.43 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.86" / 225 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -

- Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 114,421 shp / 85,358 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 14,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,079 tons

Complement:
909 - 1,182

Cost:
£8.237 million / $32.947 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 634 tons, 2.9 %
Armour: 6,564 tons, 29.6 %
- Belts: 1,615 tons, 7.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 415 tons, 1.9 %
- Armament: 1,343 tons, 6.0 %
- Armour Deck: 3,057 tons, 13.8 %
- Conning Tower: 134 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 3,292 tons, 14.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,912 tons, 40.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,652 tons, 11.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 146 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35,728 lbs / 16,206 Kg = 74.9 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 5.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 16.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.526
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.79 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.00 ft / 9.75 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Mid (40 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Stern: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Average freeboard: 23.90 ft / 7.28 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176.6 %
Waterplane Area: 41,969 Square feet or 3,899 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 706 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.31
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

2 aircraft carried, seaplane versions of the "Rotac"

Australia has quite a few designs in the 18-24,000 ton range. From a 18,000t Augustski, to the above design (revised with larger beam, TB bulkhead) to a smaller Alaska, and a 6x13.5" All Fow bigger version of the above.

At the low end of the scale Australia has two Heavy Cruiser designs one with 15x7.5" and one with 9x9.2" based on the same hull.

The theres this one. :-D

Pancho Villa, Mexico Cruiser Killer/Bandido laid down 1933

Displacement:
12,949 t light; 13,690 t standard; 15,083 t normal; 16,197 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
670.00 ft / 670.00 ft x 67.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
204.22 m / 204.22 m x 20.42 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
9 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (3x3 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1933 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward
2 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (1x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1933 Model
Dual purpose guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (4x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1933 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
16 - 1.10" / 27.9 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.67lbs / 0.30kg shells, 1933 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1933 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5,137 lbs / 2,330 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 410.00 ft / 124.97 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 80,047 shp / 59,715 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,507 tons

Complement:
679 - 884

Cost:
£6.236 million / $24.943 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 642 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 3,521 tons, 23.3 %
- Belts: 1,205 tons, 8.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 838 tons, 5.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,425 tons, 9.4 %
- Conning Tower: 53 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 2,332 tons, 15.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,379 tons, 42.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,134 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20,682 lbs / 9,381 Kg = 41.4 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 14.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.490
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.57 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Stern: 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Average freeboard: 20.40 ft / 6.22 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154.9 %
Waterplane Area: 30,816 Square feet or 2,863 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 649 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.35
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily