17inc
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(4/23/03 12:27:17 am)
Ok guys thined out the Armour on this one but
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this javes bay class BB has lot less armour then the last one but i gone for slopes Armour to counter gun fire like they do with tanks hope you like it this whats comeing 17inc. this my replacment for my 13.5" BBs in 1934
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Javes bay, Royal Australian Navy Battle ship laid down 1934
Displacement:
39,077 t light; 41,436 t standard; 45,129 t normal; 47,903 t full load
Loading submergence 1,863 tons/feet
Dimensions:
825.00 ft x 118.00 ft x 29.50 ft (normal load)
Armament:
10 - 15 " (381 mm) (3 Main turrets, 1 superfiring turret)
12 - 4.5 " (114 mm) (6 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
25 - 1.5 " (38 mm) AA
25 - 0.8 " (20 mm)
Weight of broadside 17,470 lbs (7,932 kg)
Armour:
Belt 12.00 ", upper belt 9.60 ", end belts 3.00 ", belts cover 100 % of normal area
Main turrets 14.00 ", 2nd turrets 2.00 ", AA gun shields 1.00 ", Light gun shields 2.00 "
Armour deck 4.00 ", Conning tower 14.00 ", Torpedo bulkhead 6.00 "
Machinery:
120,386 shp steam turbines, oil fired boilers = 28.00 kts, range 11,700nm at 15.00 kts
Complement:
1,548 - 2,012
Cost:
£18.100 million / $72.398 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,184 tons, 4.8 %
Armour: 18,131 tons, 40.2 %
Belts: 5,758 tons, 12.8 %, Armament: 3,650 tons, 8.1 %, Armour Deck: 4,826 tons, 10.7 %
Conning Tower: 384 tons, 0.9 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 3,512 tons, 7.8 %
Machinery: 3,463 tons, 7.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 15,299 tons, 33.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,051 tons, 13.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Metacentric height 7.5
Remarks:
compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.08
Shellfire needed to sink: 42,456 lbs = 25.2 x 15.0 " shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 9.5
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 72 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.37
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.00
Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.55
Sharpness coefficient: 0.39
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.09
'Natural speed' for length: 28.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim: 72
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)
Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 75.9 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 144.5 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 106 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.88
(Structure weight per square foot of hull surface: 181 lbs)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 0.76
(for 18.00 ft average freeboard, freeboard adjustment -2.47 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 0.79
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Rooijen10
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(4/23/03 6:43:55 am)
Re: Ok guys thined out the Armour on this one but
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10 main guns in three turrets...
What layout ? 4-3-3 or 3-3-4 ?
Engineering and magazines take up only 76 percent so a 100 percent coverage is not necessary. You might want to try and get the hull strength over 1.
Walter
thesmilingassassin
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(4/23/03 8:09:16 am)
10 guns
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sounds like a 4-2-4 layout like the KGV's. This design is way more realistic than the others, allthough my personal preferance would be to use 3 triple turrets. Losing one 15" gun isn't so bad when you consider the other contemperary's will be Bismarck with 8x15" (4x2), Richelieu also with 8x15" (2x4) and Vittorio Venito with 9x15"(3x3).
AdmKuznetsov
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(4/23/03 9:09:13 am)
Re: Ok guys thined out the Armour on this one but
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A bit less ambitious, which is a good thing. Seakeeping is adequate, and it will certainly take a few torpedo hits! 41,000 tons Standard does violate the Treaty, but not by so much that others will be able to substantiate an open accusation. So it'll pass.
But you're still trying for too much on the tonnage. With a hull strength of 0.79, it risks breaking up in a storm. Try to get that to 1.00 (but not much over!)
Candidates for weight savings are the upper belt and the torpedo bulkhead. Lose the upper belt entirely, and reduce the torpedo bulkhead to 2" or so. And like Rooijen10
said, you only need 76% coverage for the main armor belt. That will get you there.
What you'll get is a bit light on armor for my taste, but some will think the speed's worth it. It'll sail around the world, and it's so close to the Treaty limit no one will ever know its over. And it takes a good deal of sinking.
Check it out:
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Aussi BB, laid down 1934
Length, 825 ft x Beam, 118.0 ft x Depth, 29.5 ft
45129 tons normal displacement (40078 tons standard)
Main battery: 10 x 15.0-inch (3 turrets; 1 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 12 x 4.5-inch (6 x 2)
AA battery: 25 x 1.5-inch
Light battery: 25 x 0.8-inch
Weight of broadside: 17470 lbs
Main belt, 12.0 inches; bow and stern, 3.0 inches
Torpedo bulkhead, 2.0 inches
Armor deck, average 4.0 inches
C.T., 14.0 inches
Battery armor:
Main, 14.0" / secondary, 2.0"
AA, 1.0" shields / light guns, 2.0" shields
Maximum speed for 120386 shp = 28.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 16000 nm / 15 kts
Typical complement: 1548-2013
Estimated cost, $71.466 million (£17.866 million)
Remarks:
Relative extent of belt armor, 77 percent of 'typical' coverage.
Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.
Good seaboat; rides out heavy weather easily.
Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.
Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.
Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:
Armament ......................... 2184 tons = 5 pct
Armor, total ..................... 13313 tons = 30 pct
Belt 3080 tons = 7 pct
Torpedo bulkhead 1171 tons = 3 pct
Deck 4826 tons = 11 pct
C.T. 384 tons = 1 pct
Armament 3852 tons = 9 pct
Machinery ........................ 3463 tons = 8 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 18685 tons = 41 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 7409 tons = 16 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 75 tons = 0 pct
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45129 tons = 100 pct
Estimated metacentric height, 8.5 ft
Displacement summary:
Light ship: 37720 tons
Standard displacement: 40078 tons
Normal service: 45129 tons
Full load: 48988 tons
Loading submergence 1863 tons/foot
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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.16
Shellfire needed to sink: 61084 lbs = 36.2 x 15.0-inch shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 9.7
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform, 70 percent
(50 percent is 'average')
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.41
Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.20
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Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.55
Sharpness coefficient: 0.39
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 7.09
'Natural speed' for length = 28.7 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 47 percent
Estimated hull characteristics and strength:
Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 76 percent
Relative accommodation and working space: 177 percent
Displacement factor: 121 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.99
(Structure weight per square
foot of hull surface: 213 lbs)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.09
(for 22.1 ft average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +1.6 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.00
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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]
825.00 x 118.00 x 29.50; 22.10 -- Dimensions
0.55 -- Block coefficient
1934 -- Year laid down
28.00 / 16000 / 15.00; Oil-fired turbine or equivalent -- Speed / radius / cruise
75 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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10 x 15.00; 3; 1 -- Main battery; turrets; superfiring
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12 x 4.50; 6 -- Secondary battery; turrets
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25 x 1.50 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
Gun-shields
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25 x 0.80 -- Fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
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12.00 / 3.00 / 0.00 / 2.00; 77 -- Belt armor; relative extent
4.00 / 14.00 -- Deck / CT
14.00 / 2.00 / 1.00 / 2.00 -- Battery armor
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17inc
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(4/23/03 10:11:44 am)
Re: Ok guys thined out the Armour on this one but
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Javes Bay, Royal Australian Navy Enter ship type laid down 1934
Displacement:
37,455 t light; 39,625 t standard; 42,667 t normal; 44,930 t full load
Loading submergence 1,795 tons/feet
Dimensions:
825.00 ft x 118.00 ft x 29.50 ft (normal load)
Armament:
9 - 15 " (381 mm) (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
12 - 4.5 " (114 mm) (6 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
25 - 1.56 " (40 mm) AA
50 - 0.8 " (20 mm)
Weight of broadside 15,795 lbs (7,171 kg)
Armour:
Belt 14.00 ", ends unarmoured, belts cover 70 % of normal area
Main belt does not fully protect magazines and engineering spaces
Main turrets 14.00 ", 2nd turrets 2.00 ", AA gun shields 1.00 ", Light gun shields 1.00 "
Armour deck 6.00 ", Conning tower 14.00 ", Torpedo bulkhead 1.00 "
Machinery:
131,441 shp steam turbines, oil fired boilers = 29.00 kts, range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Complement:
1,484 - 1,929
Cost:
£17.176 million / $68.703 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,974 tons, 4.6 %
Armour: 14,366 tons, 33.7 %
Belts: 2,925 tons, 6.9 %, Armament: 3,513 tons, 8.2 %, Armour Deck: 6,972 tons, 16.3 %
Conning Tower: 370 tons, 0.9 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 585 tons, 1.4 %
Machinery: 3,781 tons, 8.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,334 tons, 40.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,212 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Metacentric height 6.9
Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.04
Shellfire needed to sink: 51,061 lbs = 30.3 x 15.0 " shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 7.7
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 80 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.41
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.07
Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.52
Sharpness coefficient: 0.38
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.22
'Natural speed' for length: 28.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim: 74
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)
Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 78.5 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 161.2 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 113 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.00
(Structure weight per square foot of hull surface: 207 lbs)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.00
(for 20.00 ft average freeboard, freeboard adjustment -0.24 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.00
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AdmKuznetsov
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Shave the deck and belt a little, increase your percentage of armor coverage to 79%, and you're there.
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17inc
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(4/23/03 6:43:39 pm)
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well this CA hull based on the kent Cruisers of the mid1920s tell what you think of it
Ballarat class, Royal Australian Navy Curisers laid down 1930
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Displacement:
11,217 t light; 11,696 t standard; 12,766 t normal; 13,572 t full load
Loading submergence 895 tons/feet
Dimensions:
630.00 ft x 68.50 ft x 16.70 ft (normal load)
Armament:
9 - 8 " (203 mm) (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
8 - 4.5 " (114 mm) (4 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
10 - 1.56 " (40 mm) AA
15 - 0.8 " (20 mm)
Weight of broadside 2,691 lbs (1,222 kg)
12 - 21 " above water torpedoes
Armour:
Belt 4.00 ", ends unarmoured, belts cover 75 % of normal area
Main belt does not fully protect magazines and engineering spaces
Main turrets 3.00 "
Conning tower 3.00 "
Machinery:
104,012 shp steam turbines, oil fired boilers = 32.00 kts, range 16,300nm at 10.00 kts
Complement:
600 - 780
Cost:
£4.669 million / $18.675 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 336 tons, 2.6 %
Armour: 839 tons, 6.6 %
Belts: 504 tons, 4.0 %, Armament: 299 tons, 2.3 %, Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Conning Tower: 35 tons, 0.3 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 3,152 tons, 24.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,814 tons, 53.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,550 tons, 12.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.6 %
Metacentric height 3.6
Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.14
Shellfire needed to sink: 14,050 lbs = 54.9 x 8.0 " shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.7
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 53 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.32
Relative quality as seaboat: 0.70
Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.62
Sharpness coefficient: 0.38
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 8.24
'Natural speed' for length: 25.10 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim: 76
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)
Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 101.4 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 127.8 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 129 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.45
(Structure weight per square foot of hull surface: 159 lbs)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.08
(for 15.90 ft average freeboard)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.17
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17inc
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(4/23/03 10:27:32 pm)
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Hear number 5 desing Javes class gone back main turrets 3x4 15"guns gun
Javes Bay, Royal Australian Navy Enter ship type laid down 1934
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Displacement:
36,995 t light; 39,586 t standard; 42,667 t normal; 44,961 t full load
Loading submergence 1,795 tons/feet
Dimensions:
825.00 ft x 118.00 ft x 29.50 ft (normal load)
Armament:
12 - 15 " (381 mm) (3 Main turrets x 4 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
12 - 4.5 " (114 mm) (6 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
25 - 1.56 " (40 mm) AA
50 - 0.8 " (20 mm)
Weight of broadside 20,857 lbs (9,469 kg)
Armour:
Belt 12.00 ", ends unarmoured, belts cover 75 % of normal area
Main belt does not fully protect magazines and engineering spaces
Main turrets 13.00 ", 2nd turrets 1.00 ", AA gun shields 1.00 ", Light gun shields 1.00 "
Armour deck 4.00 ", Conning tower 13.00 ", Torpedo bulkhead 1.00 "
Machinery:
131,441 shp steam turbines, oil fired boilers = 29.00 kts, range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Complement:
1,484 - 1,929
Cost:
£19.706 million / $78.824 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,607 tons, 6.1 %
Armour: 11,663 tons, 27.3 %
Belts: 2,686 tons, 6.3 %, Armament: 3,400 tons, 8.0 %, Armour Deck: 4,648 tons, 10.9 %
Conning Tower: 344 tons, 0.8 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 585 tons, 1.4 %
Machinery: 3,781 tons, 8.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 18,943 tons, 44.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,672 tons, 13.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Metacentric height 6.8
Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.03
Shellfire needed to sink: 43,321 lbs = 25.7 x 15.0 " shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 6.1
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 76 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.54
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.03
Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.52
Sharpness coefficient: 0.38
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.22
'Natural speed' for length: 28.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim: 74
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)
Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 91.9 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 161.2 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 106 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.00
(Structure weight per square foot of hull surface: 226 lbs)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.04
(for 20.00 ft average freeboard, freeboard adjustment -0.24 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.00
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