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Friday, September 12th 2003, 2:47pm

New Iberian DD class

[IMG]http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/schiffbilder/Iberian DD 1921.GIF[/IMG]

Thanks to Wes for the details in the drawing, m original deign was much plainer!

D 72, Iberia DD laid down 1921

Displacement:
1,380 t light; 1,430 t standard; 1,574 t normal; 1,682 t full load
Loading submergence 204 tons/feet

Dimensions:
377.30 ft x 34.45 ft x 10.33 ft (normal load)
115.00 m x 10.50 m x 3.15 m

Armament:
3 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns
4 - 2.24" / 57 mm guns
4 - 0.53" / 14 mm guns
Weight of broadside 224 lbs / 102 kg
6 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
Main gun shields 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 39,779 shp / 29,675 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts

Complement:
124 - 162

Cost:
£0.495 million / $1.981 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 28 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 4 tons, 0.2 %
Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %, Armament: 4 tons, 0.2 %, Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 877 tons, 55.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 421 tons, 26.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 194 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 3.2 %

Metacentric height 1.6

Remarks:
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation & workspaces is cramped
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.30
Shellfire needed to sink: 323 lbs / 147 Kg = 4.8 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 0.2
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 65 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.17
Relative quality as seaboat: 0.88

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.410
Sharpness coefficient: 0.29
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 9.91
'Natural speed' for length: 19.42 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim: 74
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 196.7 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 86.1 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 52 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.49
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs / square foot or 159 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 0.81
(for 13.12 ft / 4.00 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 2.66 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 0.52

3 funnels

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Friday, September 12th 2003, 3:44pm

Snappy little ship

Just the thing to play with the Russian Tashkent class or the French Audaciaux class, especially if there's a bit of weather, mwaa-haa-haa!

On the other hand, those big torpedos of yours bear considerable watching (and don't think French and Russian naval intelligence aren't doing just that!)

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Friday, September 12th 2003, 6:16pm

don't forget that the seakeeping is always at full speed, still your Audacieux aren't baaad at all.

Follow on class, built specifically for the bay of Biskay }:-]>

D 83, Iberia DD laid down 1922

Displacement:
1,462 t light; 1,520 t standard; 1,668 t normal; 1,780 t full load
Loading submergence 181 tons/feet

Dimensions:
370.73 ft x 30.84 ft x 12.30 ft (normal load)
113.00 m x 9.40 m x 3.75 m

Armament:
4 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns
4 - 2.24" / 57 mm guns
4 - 0.53" / 14 mm guns
Weight of broadside 291 lbs / 132 kg
8 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
Main gun shields 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 41,244 shp / 30,768 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts

Complement:
130 - 169

Cost:
£0.573 million / $2.292 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 36 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 5 tons, 0.3 %
Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %, Armament: 5 tons, 0.3 %, Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 917 tons, 55.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 454 tons, 27.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 206 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 3.0 %

Metacentric height 1.0

Remarks:
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation & workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.08
Shellfire needed to sink: 315 lbs / 143 Kg = 4.7 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 0.2
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 90 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.52
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.415
Sharpness coefficient: 0.28
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 9.55
'Natural speed' for length: 19.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim: 70
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 197.2 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 55.9 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 53 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.48
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 34 lbs / square foot or 164 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.18
(for 15.42 ft / 4.70 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 4.84 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 0.53

3 funnels

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Friday, September 12th 2003, 7:28pm

Heck, I wouldn't waste the steel on the first class...

Quoted

don't forget that the seakeeping is always at full speed,


Yup, which means that even in heavy seas, French/Russian DDs go as fast as they need.

Now, that follow-on design is something I'd definitely try to fit into my 1921 building plan!!

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Sunday, September 14th 2003, 8:14pm

well, the first class is for those hard to get to places in the caribbean and estuaries - notice the shallow draught...

Bernhard