WesWorld

The Kingdom of Nordmark wishes to call all the signatories of the Celito Treaty to a vote to veto the sale of a new build Carrier to the Ethiopian Navy.

The legallity of this vote is sighted in Section J article X.

The reason for the calling of this Vote is that the only reason for this purchase is the antagonism of the SAE and or India. We also view that the ship will be used alongside the Italian fleet as a way of cheating treaty limits, as surely if she wanted defend her coasts with aircover, Ethiopia would just invest in more airfields.

Italy votes in favour of the sale.

India notes that:

-Ethiopia has no requirement for the power projection capability of an aircraft carrier, as it lacks offshore possessions and its sole overseas trade route - through the Red Sea to Italy - is a narrow body of water wholly within the reach of aircraft operating out of the Italian and Italian-allied states bounding this narrow body of water.

-Ethiopia has no history of or present conflict with India or South Africa, and no obvious cause for future conflict with either state. There are no shared borders, there are no contradicting claims on territory or resources, there are no religious or cultural clashes.

-Compared to the establishment of simple dirt airstrips along the coast, the purchase of an aircraft carrier is a much higher capital cost, its maintenance is much greater, and the technical expertise required for its operation is significantly higher. The aircraft carrier will do nothing to alleviate access issues to the interior of Ethiopia, which is assumed to be the region most in need of access.

It is India's view that this sale constitutes an attempt by Italy to circumvent the Cleito Treaty by taking advantage of a cordial relationship with a Non-Contracting Power. Therefore, India votes under Part 3, Chapter J (IX) in favor of blocking the sale.



[Could Nordmark explicitly state whether it votes for or against the sale?]

Germany, sadly, votes to block the sale.

Australia will wait for GB to vote. If GB votes for the sale Australia will abstain. If GB votes against Australia will support.

The United States votes no on this matter.

When did the sale issue come up, i thought the 2 cruiser conversions were dealt with... or is this a side issue?

This is a different issue, the construction of a new-build CV by Italy for Ethiopia. It's mentioned further down in the recent Il Mundo thread.

Atlantis, as a result of its interpritation of the treaty, both in spirit and in words views the sale as contrary to the rules of the CT.

We therefor will have to agree with the majority and vote against the sale.

The Kingdom of Nordmark, having called this vote now firmly states its position as being against the sale.

oops, back to the news!!

The Republic of France opposes this attempt to circumvent Italy's limit on aircraft carrier tonnage, wonders why the Italian government are so dissatisfied with a substantial margin of naval superiority in the central Mediterranian that they seek to circumvent the Treaty, and votes no.

The Russian Federation votes no.

Vote Count
12 against
2 for
3 Abstain

Canada Abstain
Greece No
India No
Republic of the Philippines No
Australia No
Republic of France No
German Reich No
Kingdom of the United Netherlands Abstain
Kingdom of Nordmark No
Kingdom of Italy Yes
Empire of Japan Yes (Well, that's the button he pressed)
Kingdom of Iberia Abstain
South-African Empire No
Russian Federation No
Atlantis Empire No
United Kingdom No
United States of America No

The Netherlands does not wish to return to battlecruisers and carriers being built and “transferred” to client states.

However, to rush to prevent Italian sales has potential to cause damage to a major Italian industry.

Our Italian friends have built warships for several countries and it is rash to request a sale to be blocked without seeking the details of the transaction from it’s principles.

As such, the Netherlands feels it is unjust to vote against the sale without hearing from a representative the EAS or Italy.

At this time we are concerned over the ability to completely pay for the vessel prior to completion, and curious as to the security needs identified which call for more than doubling the EAS's navy's total displacement.

The Netherlands abstains at this time until further information is available at which time we reserve the right to change our vote to “yay” or “nay”.

OOC:

I'd get the popcorn ready, but I'm working on my fireworks display.

The Republic of the Philippines votes no. We fail to see the necessity of an East African carrier.

I edited Desertfoxs tally to reflect the Philippino vote

Quoted

At this time we are concerned over the ability to completely pay for the vessel prior to completion, and curious as to the security needs identified which call for more than doubling the EAS's navy's total displacement.

No problems with payment, 3 factories in East Africa mean 3000tons/quarter so can easily afford it. Emperor Selassie wishes to expand his influence in the immediate area and lay down the bones of a larger navy in the future (which is why all 3 current ships are basically training ships)

Quoted

Emperor Selassie wishes to expand his influence in the immediate area

To where? To the British possessions to his west? Or to the French and Danish possessions on his eastern border? Or to the British territories across the Red Sea? Or to India's mandate across the Red Sea? Or perhaps to India herself? Or maybe to the SAE to the south? Or perhaps to the Dutch East Indies? Or maybe the "Conquering Lion of the tribe of Judah" has the conquest of Australia in mind?

The French government is grateful for this clarification of His Imperial Highness' motives for acquiring an aircraft carrier from Italy, but doubts whether the clarification will persuade any of the governments above to agree.

"In the name of our King and the South African Empire I am here to vote against the sale of the vessel in question." the delegate from the SAE is heard.

"While we understand a nations wish to strengthen its defence but in this case we fail to see why an aircraft carrier is an appropriate tool. There is no threat to Ethiopia from the sea nor has any direct neighbor the capabilities to develope such threats in a short period of time. An aircraft carrier is a too complex and too expensive warship for a nation not having any significant navy so far in general. Knowing this and keeping in mind the close relations Ethiopia has to Italy which result in heavy influence by Italians in Ethiopian matters we fear that - like some has stated before - this carrier is just an attempt to add another carrier to Italies forces thus cheating on the Cleito Treaty."