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Monday, July 24th 2006, 4:39pm

My swedish navy updated

With some summerdays to spare I updated my homepage of my imaginary fleet

New section
light forces torpedoboats, monitors

new ships
HMS Smålands Lejon prepre dreadnought rigged turret ship of the line
HMS Snapphanen, torpedocruiser 1941
HMS Kronprinsessan Louise antiaircraft cruiser
HMS Äran, guided missile cruiser with talos missles
HMS Göteborg destroyer 1968

I would love some comments on the work

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 5:00pm

Great stuff, especially the old stuf. They look ugly (as they should look) while your art is as good as ever.
:-)

One thing: the links for the HMS Smålands Lejon and the HMS Snapphanen are the same (both links go to the Smålands Lejon page). :-(

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 5:19pm

I like Aran personally, reminds me of HMS Tiger. Unsure about the helicopters. Might be better to build an actual hangar like Tiger and remove the aft 152mm turret and Talos launcher. Surprising to mount both 40mm and 57mm guns. I'd have thought 57mm only.

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 8:22pm

I doubt the wing turrets on the AA cruiser can actually turn bit otherwise nice work!

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 9:10pm

I think they can... about 10 degrees or so... but I guess that's not enough for them to be fully effective.

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 9:16pm

I very much like the Torpedo cruiser, it is certainly a design which I might modify for Nordmark.

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 9:20pm

thanks.

correct link to Snapphanen

Secondaries:
I use the 57mm mount as a long range CWIS, similar to to outfit on HMS Halland. The 57mm M/50 has longer range than contemporary CWIS missles like the Seacat and is also affective against FIAC etc, all turrets has itsw own radar director (the "egg" radoms). the 40mm are mounted high and is almost exclusivly CWIS-mounts.

I think there will be no problems for the wing turrets to turn, I tired to take extra care of that problem when I made the drawing.

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 9:33pm

I fear that it won't make it. Testing it out, when I turn the turret 45 degrees and try to place it correctly onto the wing turrets, it will result in the rear of the turret overlapping with the superstructure.

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 9:41pm

Nice work Psilander! I like Aran the most, quite a powerfull ship.

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Monday, July 24th 2006, 10:01pm

Ok, Iwill work out the turrets somhow.

I planning her follow on, a late 1980s ship. Can you simulate a CoDaG ship with just the diesels and then put in the weight for gasturbines as misc weight, a just calculate with SS the amount of power needed for the desired speed?

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Tuesday, July 25th 2006, 6:36pm

Trail with very modern ship


Svärdet, Sweden CGH Laid down 1986

Displacement:
6 673 t light; 6 873 t standard; 8 000 t normal; 8 901 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
591,46 ft / 574,15 ft x 65,62 ft x 19,69 ft (normal load)
180,28 m / 175,00 m x 20,00 m x 6,00 m

Armament:
3 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (1x3 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1950 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline forward
4 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1950 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 1,18" / 30,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,82lbs / 0,37kg shells, 1950 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 347 lbs / 158 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
6 - 15,7" / 400 mm above water torpedoes

2x MK41 VLS (424m3, 54m2 each, 2x250ton)
122 missiles
8x rbs 15 SSM

Sensors: 1x AN SPS 48/E - PS 860 (airsearch)
1x SeaGiraffe 50HC (air/surf search)
1x BAE Type 996 (air/surf search)
2x Raccal Decca (Nav)
4x Ericsson 9lv Mk2 FC (gun)
4x SPG-62 FC radar (missile)
Aircraft: 2x HKP4 - Boeing Vertol Seaknight

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 9,71 ft / 2,96 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 1,18" / 30 mm
2nd: 0,39" / 10 mm 0,20" / 5 mm 0,20" / 5 mm

- Armour deck: 0,79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery: Combined Diesel and gasturbine
3x R & R Olympus Gasturbines 25000shp
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 12 367 shp / 9 226 Kw = 20,00 kts
CoDaG = 12400shp + 70000shp = 82400shp (72000shp demanded)
Range 8 000nm (diesel) at 18,00 kts
top speed 32 kts (CoDAG)
Bunker at max displacement = 2 028 tons

Complement:
422 - 549

Cost:
£2,492 million / $9,968 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 52 tons, 0,7 %
Armour: 646 tons, 8,1 %
- Belts: 268 tons, 3,3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 27 tons, 0,3 %
- Armour Deck: 334 tons, 4,2 %
- Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0,2 %
Machinery: 296 tons, 3,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 159 tons, 39,5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 327 tons, 16,6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 2 520 tons, 31,5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21 239 lbs / 9 634 Kg = 198,2 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 3,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,01
Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m
Roll period: 16,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,78

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0,378
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,96 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 29 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m (22,97 ft / 7,00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m (19,69 ft / 6,00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (30 %): 8,86 ft / 2,70 m (19,69 ft / 6,00 m before break)
- Stern: 8,86 ft / 2,70 m
- Average freeboard: 19,00 ft / 5,79 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 52,4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 210,5 %
Waterplane Area: 22 950 Square feet or 2 132 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 192 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 442 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,51
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

3x R & R Olympus Gasturbines 25000shp
CoDaG = 12400shp + 70000shp = 82400shp (72000shp demanded)
top speed 32 kts

2x MK41 VLS (424m3, 54m2 each, 2x250ton)
sensors
1x AN SPS 48/E - PS 860 (airsearch)
1x SeaGiraffe 50HC (air/surf search)
1x BAE Type 996 (air/surf search)
2x Raccal Decca (Nav)
Ericsson 9lv Mk2 FC (gun)
SPG-62 FC radar (missile)