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E-1 class, Atlantean Escort laid down 1931

Displacement:
607 t light; 653 t standard; 920 t normal; 1,134 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
230.36 ft / 225.00 ft x 30.00 ft x 9.00 ft (normal load)
70.21 m / 68.58 m x 9.14 m x 2.74 m

Armament:
4 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns (2x2 guns), 45.56lbs / 20.67kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns (3 mounts), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
6 - 0.79" / 20.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 192 lbs / 87 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Conning tower: 1.57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 4,950 shp / 3,693 Kw = 20.39 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 481 tons

Complement:
83 - 108

Cost:
£0.271 million / $1.084 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 24 tons, 2.6 %
Armour: 20 tons, 2.2 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 17 tons, 1.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 148 tons, 16.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 374 tons, 40.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 313 tons, 34.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 4.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,954 lbs / 886 Kg = 42.9 x 4.5 " / 114 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 10.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.88

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.530
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 37
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m (9.00 ft / 2.74 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Stern: 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Average freeboard: 13.66 ft / 4.16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.6 %
Waterplane Area: 4,624 Square feet or 430 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 168 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 42 lbs/sq ft or 204 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.83
- Longitudinal: 5.22
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

20 tons for DC
10 tons for sonar
10 tons for future growth

LCT type 1, Atlantean Landing Craft, Tank laid down 1931

Displacement:
300 t light; 308 t standard; 314 t normal; 318 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
134.24 ft / 125.00 ft x 34.00 ft x 4.10 ft (normal load)
40.92 m / 38.10 m x 10.36 m x 1.25 m

Armament:
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1931 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 1 lbs / 0 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 2,500

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm 100.00 ft / 30.48 m 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Ends: 0.39" / 10 mm 25.00 ft / 7.62 m 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Upper: 0.39" / 10 mm 100.00 ft / 30.48 m 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Conning tower: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 403 shp / 300 Kw = 11.50 kts
Range 1,400nm at 7.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 11 tons

Complement:
36 - 48

Cost:
£0.053 million / $0.214 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 29 tons, 9.3 %
- Belts: 28 tons, 8.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 0 tons, 0.1 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 12 tons, 3.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 78 tons, 25.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 14 tons, 4.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 180 tons, 57.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
480 lbs / 218 Kg = 1,960.2 x 0.8 " / 20 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 11.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.630
Length to Beam Ratio: 3.68 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 11.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Mid (50 %): 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Stern: 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Average freeboard: 7.72 ft / 2.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.4 %
Waterplane Area: 3,196 Square feet or 297 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 99 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.62
- Longitudinal: 1.86
- Overall: 0.69
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

LCM Type 1

Displacement:
29 t light; 29 t standard; 29 t normal; 30 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
45.70 ft / 45.00 ft x 14.00 ft x 2.50 ft (normal load)
13.93 m / 13.72 m x 4.27 m x 0.76 m

Armament:
2 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 0 lbs / 0 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 800

Armour:
- Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Petrol Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 33 shp / 24 Kw = 8.00 kts
Range 80nm at 5.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 0 tons

Complement:
3

Cost:
£0.005 million / $0.020 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 2 tons, 7.0 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 2 tons, 7.0 %
Machinery: 1 tons, 3.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 26 tons, 87.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 tons, 2.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
387 lbs / 176 Kg = 28,660.5 x 0.3 " / 8 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
Metacentric height 0.3 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 11.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.655
Length to Beam Ratio: 3.21 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 6.71 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
- Mid (50 %): 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
- Stern: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
- Average freeboard: 5.24 ft / 1.60 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 12.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.0 %
Waterplane Area: 485 Square feet or 45 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 730 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 36 lbs/sq ft or 173 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.98
- Longitudinal: 25.69
- Overall: 2.55
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Draft (loaded): 1'4" forward, 4' aft
Cargo capacity: 12 tons
Engines: 2x100hp

What is it with people putting so many guns onto small escorts? The extra firepower is essentially useless as the vessel will hardly ever be in a position to use it, but comes at a massive detriment to deckspace, magazine space, extra crew...

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What is it with people putting so many guns onto small escorts?

Funny I thought the same thing when I saw Italy's newest CL's...

Someone sets the standard and others follow suit. Notice the most guns on an Atlantean CL is 12 and not 16.

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Funny I thought the same thing when I saw Italy's newest CL's...

Obviously while the Filipinos have their problems wiht this outbreak of a deadly disease, we al know that the Italians are suffering from the disease known as Quad-itis for quite some time now.
:-)

At least those guns are useful for cruisers, but not for small escort vessels.

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Quoted

What is it with people putting so many guns onto small escorts?

Funny I thought the same thing when I saw Italy's newest CL's...

I'd say you're both right.

Speaking of too many guns in small ships. My frigates are simply overgunned. 3x4.7" and 4x3" in 900 tons. Thats the result of stuffing a post WWII Fletcher rebuilt into 900 tons. If its not a problem Ill change them to smething more realistic.



Original version:

A-1, Australia Frigate laid down 1928

Displacement:
857 t light; 902 t standard; 1,246 t normal; 1,521 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
290.00 ft / 290.00 ft x 32.00 ft x 10.00 ft (normal load)
88.39 m / 88.39 m x 9.75 m x 3.05 m

Armament:
3 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns in single mounts, 51.91lbs / 23.55kg shells, 1929 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount
4 - 2.99" / 75.9 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13.37lbs / 6.06kg shells, 1929 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1929 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1929 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 219 lbs / 99 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.20" / 30 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 9,786 shp / 7,300 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 9,100nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 619 tons

Complement:
104 - 136

Cost:
£0.380 million / $1.521 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 27 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 9 tons, 0.8 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 9 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 301 tons, 24.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 500 tons, 40.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 389 tons, 31.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,005 lbs / 910 Kg = 38.6 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 10.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.470
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Mid (50 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.3 %
Waterplane Area: 6,020 Square feet or 559 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 147 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 48 lbs/sq ft or 233 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.33
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


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Fixed version:

FF-1, Australia Frigate laid down 1929

Displacement:
867 t light; 906 t standard; 1,246 t normal; 1,518 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
290.00 ft / 290.00 ft x 32.00 ft x 10.00 ft (normal load)
88.39 m / 88.39 m x 9.75 m x 3.05 m

Armament:
3 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns in single mounts, 51.91lbs / 23.55kg shells, 1929 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1929 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1929 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 165 lbs / 75 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.20" / 30 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 9,786 shp / 7,300 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 612 tons

Complement:
104 - 136

Cost:
£0.359 million / $1.437 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 21 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 9 tons, 0.8 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 9 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 301 tons, 24.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 511 tons, 41.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 380 tons, 30.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,070 lbs / 939 Kg = 39.9 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 10.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.34

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.470
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Mid (50 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.3 %
Waterplane Area: 6,020 Square feet or 559 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 156 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 238 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 2.38
- Overall: 1.05
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily