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Tuesday, July 18th 2006, 9:27am

Well, barring any political issues I'm overlooking, I wouldn't mind Canada being contracted to build it.

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Tuesday, July 18th 2006, 12:01pm

280,000shp is quite a lot for 4-shafts, but in keeping with the base of Stalingrad Project 82.

Most shp per shaft was about 60,000shp on the Capitani Romani. 50,000shp per shaft seems a more conservative estimate for the time.

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Friday, July 21st 2006, 4:14am

the Thunder Cruiser?

More fiddling...

BC32-254-12, Light Battlecruiser laid down 1932

Displacement:
21,689 t light; 22,810 t standard; 24,730 t normal; 26,266 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
775.31 ft / 754.59 ft x 82.02 ft x 25.43 ft (normal load)
236.31 m / 230.00 m x 25.00 m x 7.75 m

Armament:
12 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (4x3 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x3 guns), 83.78lbs / 38.00kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (6x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x8 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 7,235 lbs / 3,282 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 509.35 ft / 155.25 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 245.21 ft / 74.74 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.18" / 30 mm 509.35 ft / 155.25 m 22.97 ft / 7.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 6.89" / 175 mm
2nd: 4.72" / 120 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
5th: 0.59" / 15 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.54" / 90 mm, Conning tower: 3.15" / 80 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 125,000 shp / 93,250 Kw = 32.21 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 3,456 tons)

Complement:
985 - 1,281

Cost:
£9.251 million / $37.002 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 904 tons, 3.7 %
Armour: 7,112 tons, 28.8 %
- Belts: 2,088 tons, 8.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 511 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 1,508 tons, 6.1 %
- Armour Deck: 2,948 tons, 11.9 %
- Conning Tower: 58 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 3,689 tons, 14.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,783 tons, 39.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,041 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
25,073 lbs / 11,373 Kg = 50.1 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.20 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.38 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.35 ft / 9.25 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Mid (40 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 21.15 ft / 6.45 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164.2 %
Waterplane Area: 44,969 Square feet or 4,178 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 745 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.01
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Friday, July 21st 2006, 4:33am

Looks a little like....

An older version of the Oyama-class.

Chilean Heavy Armoured Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:
20,714 t light; 21,681 t standard; 24,000 t normal; 25,760 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
735.00 ft / 720.00 ft x 90.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load)
224.03 m / 219.46 m x 27.43 m x 8.84 m

Armament:
12 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (4x3 guns), 530.00lbs / 240.40kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 4.30" / 109 mm guns (6x2 guns), 39.75lbs / 18.03kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
12 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (1x12 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1931 Model
Machine guns in deck mount
on side, all raised guns
Weight of broadside 6,875 lbs / 3,118 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 415.00 ft / 126.49 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 391.50 ft / 119.33 m 20.00 ft / 6.10 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 4.13" / 105 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 4.13" / 105 mm 4.13" / 105 mm -
3rd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 115,000 shp / 85,790 Kw = 31.97 kts
Range 6,000nm at 20.00 kts (Bunkerage = 4,175 tons)

Complement:
963 - 1,253

Cost:
£8.249 million / $32.998 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 814 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 5,799 tons, 24.2 %
- Belts: 1,258 tons, 5.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 290 tons, 1.2 %
- Armament: 1,334 tons, 5.6 %
- Armour Deck: 2,773 tons, 11.6 %
- Conning Tower: 144 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 3,439 tons, 14.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,587 tons, 44.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,286 tons, 13.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28,907 lbs / 13,112 Kg = 57.8 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 3.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.447
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.41 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19.98 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 33.00 ft / 10.06 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (50 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Stern: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Average freeboard: 24.07 ft / 7.34 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 198.8 %
Waterplane Area: 42,829 Square feet or 3,979 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 167 lbs/sq ft or 816 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.70
- Overall: 1.05
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily