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Ubiwan

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Friday, June 30th 2006, 8:55am

"Looks good" Cheung says. "Today the advertisement for the light cruiser ends. Perhaps still another office published their Design."

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Friday, June 30th 2006, 2:43pm

Wes: forms follows function; the earlier, slower cruiser got a more typical Indian cruiser superstructure. The newer big destroyer got a ligther destroyer superstructure (which I just cut and pasted directly from one of my destroyer drawings).

You're right about the canvas hangar not being necessary, but the aircraft will likely have a longer service life if the whole thing is covered in bad weather.

Now we have to see what Chairman Cheung thinks of these designs we've sent him...

Kaiser Kirk

Lightbringer and former European Imperialist

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Monday, July 3rd 2006, 6:43am

The vessel offered meets the power plant and range specifications. Additional length was worked in to allow more room for a hanger. While further increasing dimensions would allow more room, engine requirements would grow rapidly beyond the target range.

The Dutch experience with the placing of aircraft on our smaller destroyers in the 1920s was not overly satisfactory, the seakeeping of of this vessel should aid that issue.

A substantial amount of slack was left in the design, and a high miscellaneous wieght detailed, to allow for specification changes prior to a potential final design.

Escort Cruiser, China Kanoneerbooten laid down 1932

Displacement:
2,135 t light; 2,301 t standard; 2,515 t normal; 2,687 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
408.87 ft / 393.70 ft x 42.65 ft x 11.15 ft (normal load)
124.62 m / 120.00 m x 13.00 m x 3.40 m

Armament:
6 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (3x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1932 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm guns in single mounts, 0.07lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 637 lbs / 289 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300
4 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 255.91 ft / 78.00 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -
3rd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -
4th: 0.59" / 15 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.59" / 15 mm, Conning tower: 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 10,269 shp / 7,661 Kw = 23.15 kts
Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 387 tons (85% coal)

Complement:
176 - 230

Cost:
£0.853 million / $3.410 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 80 tons, 3.2 %
Armour: 292 tons, 11.6 %
- Belts: 138 tons, 5.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 27 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 124 tons, 4.9 %
- Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 328 tons, 13.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,235 tons, 49.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 380 tons, 15.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 8.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,601 lbs / 2,087 Kg = 55.0 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 13.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.60

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.470
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.87 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.29 ft / 6.49 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.29 ft / 6.49 m (13.29 ft / 4.05 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 13.29 ft / 4.05 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.29 ft / 4.05 m
- Stern: 13.29 ft / 4.05 m
- Average freeboard: 14.89 ft / 4.54 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.1 %
Waterplane Area: 11,320 Square feet or 1,052 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 141 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 347 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.83
- Overall: 1.04
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Ubiwan

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Monday, July 3rd 2006, 7:55am

Cheung thanks you for the numerous Design suggestions.
The CNDO will now withdraw itself and will evaluate the individual suggestions .

Ubiwan

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Thursday, July 6th 2006, 11:03am

We are proudly to present .......

Numerous reporters appeared themselves today in the press facilitiy of the CNDO. Today the winner of the Design competition is to be presented. On the wall behind the stage the flag of the People's Republic of China hangs and before it sits at a board the Judge of the advertisement. The CEO of the CNDO, Cheung, rises and goes with proud step to the microphones.
"Very honoured representatives of the international press. I welcome you today quite cordially for the conception of the winner of our advertisement for a light cruiser. Before I come now to the publication of the winner, I would like to thank you again at all offices, which submitted a draft. The choice of the winner took place under several criteria. Here again the submitted drafts:

Special thanks apply naturally for the designers Mexicos. They do not have themselves to take up shrunk from the fight with the large ones of the business. Unfortunately they are however still a little inexperienced and therefore are we us also united that we do not assign this order in accordance with Mexico. Thanks nevertheless again for your sent in drafts.

The draft of Greatbritain possesses the highest range under the presented Designs, however he is for the Chinese navy unsuitable, it is too long and needs a type 2 - dock/slip. In addition it does not possess any deck and conningtower armoring . In our view this draft reserves the fifth place.

The Dutch draft shows a high Seakeeping also possesses a large number at light gunnery. Unfortunately the sea endurance (range) was kept in such a way only straight one, and the heavy cannons are completely unarmored . But finally we congratulate to the dutchmen to a fourth place.

Now to the South African Design. The ship possesses a high belt armoring and an also otherwise still sufficient place around the additional things to accommodate. It is a compact draft, which exhibits however no deck and conningtower armoring . Nevertheless the Design reserved a good third place.

In the Indian draft #1 is located that the ship possesses “only oil firing”, however India designer planned sufficient place for the coal shelters in the ship , why a change is possible at any time . The ship possesses a good protection as well as sufficient area for additional equipment . All in all we congratulate to India to a outstanding second place .

Now we come to the winner of the competition . The Russian contribution fulfills all demands placed by us and also otherwise captivates the ship with one thought out Design.

The decision was not easy for us. All drafts brought are useful ships. But only one design can win.

Before now the final assignment of the order takes place, I ask to present the owners of the places 1-4 their financial conditions.
It is thus still well possible that places are changed . Delivery of the offer is tomorrow. Suggestions delivered later can not be considered unfortunately and are equivalent to the exclusion of the draft. And to the offices in Greatbritain and Mexico say I only much luck with the next time.

A word still to India's second design, which began here except competition. It is an extremely interesting design, which we would continue to discuss gladly with the designers . I ask India to set for discussion of this draft, again with us in connection."

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Thursday, July 6th 2006, 2:57pm

India would charge a slip-usage fee of 10% on top of the cost of any vessels built in Indian yards. This would make each ship cosst 2408 + 241 = 2649 t.

A similar fee would apply to the second design, with a total cost of 2098 + 210 = 2308 t for each unit built in India. India is certainly happy to continue discussions on this type and modify it to suit Chinese requirements.

Alternately, China may purchase exclusive licences for 700 t for either design.

Ubiwan

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Thursday, July 6th 2006, 6:13pm

To all:

The CNDO needs still the indication, when can the building be started.


To India:
Sounds good. Before we go into the detail, I need a top view of the Design #2.

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Thursday, July 6th 2006, 6:23pm

A top view will be a day or two away; I'm rather busy with farm chores at the moment.

A class two slipway is currently available from Q3/31 to Q4/33; five ships could be laid down at six month intervals during that period.

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Thursday, July 6th 2006, 6:45pm

Financial terms

Peter the Great Yard, Vladivostok, thanks Chairman Cheung for his high praise, and would be pleased to construct this cruiser for China at a cost of her Light displacement, plus a fee of 10%, or a total of 2,412 tons of warship materials, payable upon delivery.

Construction can begin in the first quarter of 1932.

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Thursday, July 6th 2006, 8:51pm

Quoted

A top view will be a day or two away; I'm rather busy with farm chores at the moment.


Or not. Guess I'm taking a couple hours off farm duty.



I had to modify the plan view after concluding that the torpedo carriages really wouldn't work on the centreline with this width. So now it's a quadruple bank firing to each side. That leaves some empty deck space around the catapult, but maybe light AA will fill it up later.

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Friday, July 7th 2006, 6:56am

Placing the small boats in the space forward of the catapult would work well. That would allow you to place a few more larger ones where the current boats are placed.

Ubiwan

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Tuesday, July 11th 2006, 8:09am

Wes is right, could you please place the life rafts on the free space before and beside catapult ? And perhaps add still a little light AA - armament ? By the way, i like your drawings ;-))).

@AdmKuznetsov:
Sounds great ! 2412tons of warship materials means 603tons a quarter or not ?!?!?!

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Tuesday, July 11th 2006, 12:43pm

Done

603 tons per quarter would be satisfactory.