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A design that's been worked up in consultation with a potential customer. Obviously too large for a Type B cruiser under the CT, she would be of more interest to a non-CT member state.

Export, German Light Cruiser laid down 1932

Displacement:

10,204 t light; 10,624 t standard; 11,694 t normal; 12,551 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

638.58 ft / 623.36 ft x 65.62 ft x 20.01 ft (normal load)

194.64 m / 190.00 m x 20.00 m x 6.10 m

Armament:

15 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (5x3 guns), 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1925 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (4x2 guns), 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1932 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side ends, evenly spread

16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1932 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts

16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1932 Model

Machine guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 1,777 lbs / 806 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 180

8 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 405.18 ft / 123.50 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 4.72" / 120 mm

2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm

3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.24" / 57 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 84,680 shp / 63,171 Kw = 32.50 kts

Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1,927 tons

Complement:

561 - 730

Cost:

£4.081 million / $16.325 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 227 tons, 1.9 %

Armour: 2,598 tons, 22.2 %

- Belts: 777 tons, 6.6 %

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %

- Armament: 592 tons, 5.1 %

- Armour Deck: 1,177 tons, 10.1 %

- Conning Tower: 52 tons, 0.4 %

Machinery: 2,499 tons, 21.4 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,809 tons, 41.1 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,491 tons, 12.7 %

Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

17,648 lbs / 8,005 Kg = 171.4 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10

Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m

Roll period: 15.5 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has rise forward of midbreak

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0.500

Length to Beam Ratio: 9.50 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 28.61 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Forecastle (20 %): 25.43 ft / 7.75 m

- Mid (40 %): 25.43 ft / 7.75 m (19.69 ft / 6.00 m aft of break)

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m

- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m

- Average freeboard: 22.57 ft / 6.88 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.9 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.2 %

Waterplane Area: 28,340 Square feet or 2,633 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 531 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0.95

- Longitudinal: 1.47

- Overall: 1.00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

50 tons reserved for aircraft facilities

20 tons reserved for future growth

Export, German Light Cruiser laid down 1932

Displacement:

10,204 t light; 10,624 t standard; 11,694 t normal; 12,551 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

638.58 ft / 623.36 ft x 65.62 ft x 20.01 ft (normal load)

194.64 m / 190.00 m x 20.00 m x 6.10 m

Armament:

15 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (5x3 guns), 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1925 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (4x2 guns), 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1932 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side ends, evenly spread

16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1932 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts

16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1932 Model

Machine guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 1,777 lbs / 806 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 180

8 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 405.18 ft / 123.50 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 4.72" / 120 mm

2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm

3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.24" / 57 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 84,680 shp / 63,171 Kw = 32.50 kts

Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1,927 tons

Complement:

561 - 730

Cost:

£4.081 million / $16.325 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 227 tons, 1.9 %

Armour: 2,598 tons, 22.2 %

- Belts: 777 tons, 6.6 %

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %

- Armament: 592 tons, 5.1 %

- Armour Deck: 1,177 tons, 10.1 %

- Conning Tower: 52 tons, 0.4 %

Machinery: 2,499 tons, 21.4 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,809 tons, 41.1 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,491 tons, 12.7 %

Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

17,648 lbs / 8,005 Kg = 171.4 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10

Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m

Roll period: 15.5 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has rise forward of midbreak

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0.500

Length to Beam Ratio: 9.50 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 28.61 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Forecastle (20 %): 25.43 ft / 7.75 m

- Mid (40 %): 25.43 ft / 7.75 m (19.69 ft / 6.00 m aft of break)

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m

- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m

- Average freeboard: 22.57 ft / 6.88 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.9 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.2 %

Waterplane Area: 28,340 Square feet or 2,633 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 531 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0.95

- Longitudinal: 1.47

- Overall: 1.00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

50 tons reserved for aircraft facilities

20 tons reserved for future growth

Tylor would be an interesting match for the 14x7,48" Ulic Ali Reis, allthough I must admit I haven't really done a compairison between the two. Ulic Ali Reis has 2 less guns per broadside and overall, i'm not even sure which ship has the better armor but I suspect Tylor being the newer ship would have an advantage there as well.

Then again having a 7,000 ton advantage will get you that...

Rain of pain versus knock out blows.

Concentrating fire power in a single unit versus two smaller ship carrying 8 guns each

I think of a warships of this size as a way to bring guns to the enemy.

This ship is usefull fighting of smaller ship (DD and CL)

also in short renge night battles this ship has its advanteges.

Over its 8'' conterpart.

The war sessons say 10000t cruiser were equal.

So basicly I dont know what to think.

Lots of guns, probably topweight problems like the other USN cruisers.

For a larger cruiser, one of the 13000ton types its likely to stay at 150-200hm where the 203mm weapon will hit more often and heavier and the larger cruiser is at no risk of being sunk by gunfire.

Pisa vs Export:

Armament weight: 223 tons - 227 tons

Armament Armor weight: 194 tons - 592 tons

Total armament weights: 417 tons - 819 tons

Could someone compare the weights of a single Italian quad turret to a single German triple? (that's armament + armor)

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