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Bar, Yugoslavia Escort laid down 1932

Displacement:
1 821 t light; 1 919 t standard; 2 179 t normal; 2 387 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
395,50 ft / 393,70 ft x 39,37 ft x 9,84 ft (normal load)
120,55 m / 120,00 m x 12,00 m x 3,00 m

Armament:
10 - 4,33" / 110 mm guns (5x2 guns), 40,61lbs / 18,42kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (2x6 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 431 lbs / 196 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 220
4 - 17,7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1,38" / 35 mm 255,91 ft / 78,00 m 7,51 ft / 2,29 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 12 377 shp / 9 233 Kw = 24,00 kts
Range 5 000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 468 tons

Complement:
159 - 207

Cost:
£0,728 million / $2,912 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 54 tons, 2,5%
Armour: 343 tons, 15,7%
- Belts: 110 tons, 5,1%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armour Deck: 226 tons, 10,4%
- Conning Tower: 7 tons, 0,3%
Machinery: 365 tons, 16,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 029 tons, 47,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 358 tons, 16,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 1,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4 481 lbs / 2 033 Kg = 110,3 x 4,3 " / 110 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21
Metacentric height 1,7 ft / 0,5 m
Roll period: 12,5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,55

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,500
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,66 ft / 0,20 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21,82 ft / 6,65 m
- Forecastle (20%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Mid (50%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Stern: 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Average freeboard: 14,51 ft / 4,42 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,6%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150,0%
Waterplane Area: 10 327 Square feet or 959 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 142%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 302 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,66
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

This an escort design to chase away any TB's attack

On the same displacement, you can probably get a true destroyer with eight guns and 33-34 knots. This would be able to kill torpedo boats for pleasure as well as undertake other missions such as offensive raids.

actualy yes this kind of ship has merit in real world but in WW there is no nead for such a weasle.


Bar, Yugoslavia Escort laid down 1932

Displacement:
1 715 t light; 1 919 t standard; 2 179 t normal; 2 387 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
395,50 ft / 393,70 ft x 39,37 ft x 9,84 ft (normal load)
120,55 m / 120,00 m x 12,00 m x 3,00 m

Armament:
8 - 4,33" / 110 mm guns (4x2 guns), 40,61lbs / 18,42kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 4,33" / 110 mm guns (6x2 guns), 40,61lbs / 18,42kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 836 lbs / 379 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 12 377 shp / 9 233 Kw = 24,00 kts
Range 5 000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 468 tons

Complement:
159 - 207

Cost:
£0,904 million / $3,617 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 104 tons, 4,8%
Machinery: 365 tons, 16,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 181 tons, 54,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 464 tons, 21,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 65 tons, 3,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3 397 lbs / 1 541 Kg = 83,7 x 4,3 " / 110 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m
Roll period: 13,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,47

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,500
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,66 ft / 0,20 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21,82 ft / 6,65 m
- Forecastle (20%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Mid (50%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Stern: 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Average freeboard: 14,51 ft / 4,42 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171,7%
Waterplane Area: 10 327 Square feet or 959 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 346 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,80
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

I also wonder why she's limited to 24 knots, the PRJ IIRC isn't limited by the CT.

Guess for possible sale to CT nations...

If thats the case they would have to ditch the torpedo's.

*Looks at second design*
Which Torpedoes?

Neither of the designs can be considered unimited. They have too many guns. Speaking of which 20 guns on a 2,000 ton ship seems alot. Will they fit in the available deck space?

Probably. Probably no space left for other things to be placed on the deck (like funnel and superstructure).

Good grief, I missed that part! She does have quite a few 4.33" guns for a 2,000 ton ship. Removing the beam mounted turrets would make the HS go through the roof.

A well-placed shell could cause something nasty to go through the ship's 'roof'.
:-)

Ok same hull but this time the ship is a dedicated ASW and mineleyer primery a minelayer.

Bar, Yugoslavia Mineleyer laid down 1932

Displacement:
1 824 t light; 1 919 t standard; 2 179 t normal; 2 387 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
395,50 ft / 393,70 ft x 39,37 ft x 9,84 ft (normal load)
120,55 m / 120,00 m x 12,00 m x 3,00 m

Armament:
2 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount
4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 281 lbs / 127 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 12 377 shp / 9 233 Kw = 24,00 kts
Range 5 000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 468 tons

Complement:
159 - 207

Cost:
£0,657 million / $2,627 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 35 tons, 1,6%
Machinery: 365 tons, 16,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 988 tons, 45,3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 356 tons, 16,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 435 tons, 20,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3 624 lbs / 1 644 Kg = 35,2 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
Metacentric height 1,5 ft / 0,4 m
Roll period: 13,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,54

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,500
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,66 ft / 0,20 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21,82 ft / 6,65 m
- Forecastle (20%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Mid (50%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Stern: 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Average freeboard: 14,51 ft / 4,42 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,4%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171,7%
Waterplane Area: 10 327 Square feet or 959 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 290 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,63
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

This ship can still do some escort work when its not carrying mines.

I like this design much better, she's got a decent punch with those 5.91" guns and an excellent AA outfit. I'd be tempted to replace the beam mounted 2.95" guns with a DP gun in the 3.5" range. She could also use a light AA armament, 20mm and 0.5's.