Dear visitor, welcome to WesWorld. If this is your first visit here, please read the Help. It explains in detail how this page works. To use all features of this page, you should consider registering. Please use the registration form, to register here or read more information about the registration process. If you are already registered, please login here.

- 1
- 2

Not sure if I've posted this before, but I figure I'd best mention it as a looming project. The first unit will be laid down in Q1/1931, with the last unit of 4 laying down a year later.

It is not conceived as a battleline unit, but rather as a ship in the mould of pre-war Armoured Cruisers, to be able to act as a flagship unit in secondary theatres and to operate with aircraft carriers. It is intended to engage Class A cruisers in wartime, with protection against guns in the 8" range.

An alternate design concept with six 12" guns was explored, but it was felt that this would be too prone to being risked in the battleline, whilst also being marginal for gunlaying.

HMS Saint Vincent, Royal Navy Large Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:

19,114 t light; 20,269 t standard; 22,991 t normal; 25,169 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

717.38 ft / 711.00 ft x 75.00 ft (Bulges 86.00 ft) x 28.00 ft (normal load)

218.66 m / 216.71 m x 22.86 m (Bulges 26.21 m) x 8.53 m

Armament:

12 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x3 guns), 450.00lbs / 204.12kg shells, 1931 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

16 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns (8x2 guns), 62.00lbs / 28.12kg shells, 1931 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring

48 - 1.59" / 40.5 mm guns (6x8 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1931 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

16 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns (1x16 guns), 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1931 Model

Machine guns in deck mount

on side

Weight of broadside 6,489 lbs / 2,943 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 185

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 520.00 ft / 158.50 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 8.00" / 203 mm

3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Geared drive, 2 shafts, 110,002 shp / 82,061 Kw = 31.70 kts

Range 12,000nm at 16.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 4,900 tons

Complement:

933 - 1,213

Cost:

£7.495 million / $29.981 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 700 tons, 3.0 %

Armour: 5,971 tons, 26.0 %

- Belts: 1,704 tons, 7.4 %

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %

- Armament: 1,501 tons, 6.5 %

- Armour Deck: 2,660 tons, 11.6 %

- Conning Tower: 105 tons, 0.5 %

Machinery: 3,290 tons, 14.3 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,004 tons, 39.2 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,877 tons, 16.9 %

Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

32,333 lbs / 14,666 Kg = 83.0 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07

Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m

Roll period: 18.8 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0.470

Length to Beam Ratio: 8.27 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 31.03 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m

- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m

- Mid (67 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m

- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m

- Average freeboard: 22.75 ft / 6.93 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.4 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 160.4 %

Waterplane Area: 35,949 Square feet or 3,340 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 126 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 752 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0.96

- Longitudinal: 1.44

- Overall: 1.00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

IZ 6-28 kyards vs UK 8"/50

IZ 13-30 kyards vs Italian 203mm APC

It is not conceived as a battleline unit, but rather as a ship in the mould of pre-war Armoured Cruisers, to be able to act as a flagship unit in secondary theatres and to operate with aircraft carriers. It is intended to engage Class A cruisers in wartime, with protection against guns in the 8" range.

An alternate design concept with six 12" guns was explored, but it was felt that this would be too prone to being risked in the battleline, whilst also being marginal for gunlaying.

HMS Saint Vincent, Royal Navy Large Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:

19,114 t light; 20,269 t standard; 22,991 t normal; 25,169 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

717.38 ft / 711.00 ft x 75.00 ft (Bulges 86.00 ft) x 28.00 ft (normal load)

218.66 m / 216.71 m x 22.86 m (Bulges 26.21 m) x 8.53 m

Armament:

12 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x3 guns), 450.00lbs / 204.12kg shells, 1931 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

16 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns (8x2 guns), 62.00lbs / 28.12kg shells, 1931 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring

48 - 1.59" / 40.5 mm guns (6x8 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1931 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

16 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns (1x16 guns), 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1931 Model

Machine guns in deck mount

on side

Weight of broadside 6,489 lbs / 2,943 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 185

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 520.00 ft / 158.50 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 8.00" / 203 mm

3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Geared drive, 2 shafts, 110,002 shp / 82,061 Kw = 31.70 kts

Range 12,000nm at 16.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 4,900 tons

Complement:

933 - 1,213

Cost:

£7.495 million / $29.981 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 700 tons, 3.0 %

Armour: 5,971 tons, 26.0 %

- Belts: 1,704 tons, 7.4 %

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %

- Armament: 1,501 tons, 6.5 %

- Armour Deck: 2,660 tons, 11.6 %

- Conning Tower: 105 tons, 0.5 %

Machinery: 3,290 tons, 14.3 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,004 tons, 39.2 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,877 tons, 16.9 %

Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

32,333 lbs / 14,666 Kg = 83.0 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07

Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m

Roll period: 18.8 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0.470

Length to Beam Ratio: 8.27 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 31.03 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m

- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m

- Mid (67 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m

- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m

- Average freeboard: 22.75 ft / 6.93 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.4 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 160.4 %

Waterplane Area: 35,949 Square feet or 3,340 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 126 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 752 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0.96

- Longitudinal: 1.44

- Overall: 1.00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

IZ 6-28 kyards vs UK 8"/50

IZ 13-30 kyards vs Italian 203mm APC

1940 Cruiser Projects

The 40mm battery is, perhaps, a little large for the period, but that's partially a consequence of the octuple mounting.

Armor is sufficient to deal with the intended adversary, giving the ship protection at ranges where it's weapons can hurt it's intended foes.

These ships could be built in a short length of time compared to the major capital ship units the RN requires in order to secure it's trade routes.

They might be ok now, but they are going to be little more than glorified cruisers in a capital ship short RN in 4 years time.

I'd also question whether 185 rounds per gun are necessary, unless the idea is to be able to patrol and fight well away from resupply. Certainly the historical ships that carried guns of this size did not carry this many rounds.

Myself, I'd be a little concerned about the stability: 1.07 is, to me, a little bit low. I've been trying to keep stability at 1.10 or higher. But that might be just me.

## Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson

Another comment on the design: with 110,000 SHP, you'll probably want 3-4 shafts, 55,000 on each shaft is probably a bit much.

Stupid boy, Pike! That wasn't meant to happen - it's supposed to be a 4-shaft plant.

## Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf HakonsonI'd also question whether 185 rounds per gun are necessary, unless the idea is to be able to patrol and fight well away from resupply. Certainly the historical ships that carried guns of this size did not carry this many rounds.

That's the envisaged role, but probably overkill. I basically enlarged the magazines to use excess strength.

The historical ships, though, were also from an era when ships carried fewer rounds all told than in the 1930s.

## Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf HakonsonMyself, I'd be a little concerned about the stability: 1.07 is, to me, a little bit low. I've been trying to keep stability at 1.10 or higher. But that might be just me.

Concur, stability could be better; a reworded design is on the cards, so I'll look to enhance it.

RLBH

## Quoted

Originally posted by Ithekro

And how many battleships were truely a waste of materials once the War started? The cruisers were probably more useful during a war anyway.

Yes but we know that now using hindsight, in the 30's however its still a "big gun" mentality.

I'm have mixed feelings about these "armored cruisers", they surely can outmatch CA's but are more expensive and don't have as much punch as BC's.

I tend to sit on Hrolfs side of the fence on this one...

I agree though, the BC seems low and in addition I think the bulges are not really nessasary.

I can only second what others already said. She´s too larger and weak for her role, too weak as a capital unit, in fact a waste of limited hull numbers for cappital ships, the UL needs modern BBs in a world full ot 35-40kts warships that can have a QE for lunch, the bc of the ship seems relatively low, the range probably a little bit excessive and the number of main gun shells quite high.

If you want to hunt CAs you need more speed and/or more armor. Otherwise your design might loose a duel against a better armored, well-balanced 13kts treaty CA.

Is it a capital ship? Not really, it is, like

If they did operate together they could quite likely take on 1 of these ships and sink her with the loss of one ship and another limping home to be repaired.

That being said if a navy has the resources to build these ships its an awefully tempting project.

on much less tonnage. Here's something I have in mind for a bit later, and they'll certainly get built if the Treaty collapses:

Admiral Makarov class, Russian Cruiser Killer laid down 1933

Displacement:

14,266 t light; 15,030 t standard; 17,727 t normal; 19,885 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

743.65 ft / 721.78 ft x 59.06 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x 23.82 ft (normal load)

226.66 m / 220.00 m x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m) x 7.26 m

Armament:

8 - 9.21" / 234 mm guns (4x2 guns), 440.92lbs / 200.00kg shells, 1933 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline ends, evenly spread

6 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (2x3 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1933 Model

Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists

on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts

8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1933 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, evenly spread

24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1933 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts

Weight of broadside 4,676 lbs / 2,121 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 7.09" / 180 mm 421.59 ft / 128.50 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m

Ends: 1.18" / 30 mm 300.20 ft / 91.50 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m

Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 7.09" / 180 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 5.51" / 140 mm

2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 123,807 shp / 92,360 Kw = 34.00 kts

Range 10,800nm at 18.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 4,854 tons

Complement:

767 - 998

Cost:

£6.784 million / $27.138 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 513 tons, 2.9 %

Armour: 3,343 tons, 18.9 %

- Belts: 1,306 tons, 7.4 %

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %

- Armament: 660 tons, 3.7 %

- Armour Deck: 1,291 tons, 7.3 %

- Conning Tower: 87 tons, 0.5 %

Machinery: 3,607 tons, 20.3 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,702 tons, 37.8 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,461 tons, 19.5 %

Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

20,133 lbs / 9,132 Kg = 51.5 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16

Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m

Roll period: 17.5 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0.500

Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 30.66 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Forecastle (25 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m

- Mid (50 %): 18.37 ft / 5.60 m

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.06 ft / 5.20 m

- Stern: 18.70 ft / 5.70 m

- Average freeboard: 20.78 ft / 6.33 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.8 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.0 %

Waterplane Area: 29,534 Square feet or 2,744 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 629 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0.98

- Longitudinal: 1.13

- Overall: 1.00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Admiral Makarov class, Russian Cruiser Killer laid down 1933

Displacement:

14,266 t light; 15,030 t standard; 17,727 t normal; 19,885 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

743.65 ft / 721.78 ft x 59.06 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x 23.82 ft (normal load)

226.66 m / 220.00 m x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m) x 7.26 m

Armament:

8 - 9.21" / 234 mm guns (4x2 guns), 440.92lbs / 200.00kg shells, 1933 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline ends, evenly spread

6 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (2x3 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1933 Model

Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists

on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts

8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1933 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, evenly spread

24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1933 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts

Weight of broadside 4,676 lbs / 2,121 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 7.09" / 180 mm 421.59 ft / 128.50 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m

Ends: 1.18" / 30 mm 300.20 ft / 91.50 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m

Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 7.09" / 180 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 5.51" / 140 mm

2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 123,807 shp / 92,360 Kw = 34.00 kts

Range 10,800nm at 18.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 4,854 tons

Complement:

767 - 998

Cost:

£6.784 million / $27.138 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 513 tons, 2.9 %

Armour: 3,343 tons, 18.9 %

- Belts: 1,306 tons, 7.4 %

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %

- Armament: 660 tons, 3.7 %

- Armour Deck: 1,291 tons, 7.3 %

- Conning Tower: 87 tons, 0.5 %

Machinery: 3,607 tons, 20.3 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,702 tons, 37.8 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,461 tons, 19.5 %

Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

20,133 lbs / 9,132 Kg = 51.5 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16

Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m

Roll period: 17.5 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0.500

Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 30.66 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Forecastle (25 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m

- Mid (50 %): 18.37 ft / 5.60 m

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.06 ft / 5.20 m

- Stern: 18.70 ft / 5.70 m

- Average freeboard: 20.78 ft / 6.33 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.8 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.0 %

Waterplane Area: 29,534 Square feet or 2,744 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 629 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0.98

- Longitudinal: 1.13

- Overall: 1.00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Note: This is an old version, an updated version will probably be slower and slightly different.

HMAS Sydney, Australia Cruiser Killer laid down 1935

Displacement:

15,648 t light; 16,416 t standard; 18,364 t normal; 19,922 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

697.57 ft / 690.00 ft x 69.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)

212.62 m / 210.31 m x 21.03 m x 7.62 m

Armament:

12 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x3 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1935 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring

20 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns (10x2 guns), 51.91lbs / 23.55kg shells, 1935 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts

24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (3x8 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1935 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts

20 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1935 Model

Breech loading guns in deck mounts

on side, evenly spread

Weight of broadside 5,762 lbs / 2,614 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 120

12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 401.00 ft / 122.22 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 7.00" / 178 mm

- Armour deck: 2.90" / 74 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 116,360 shp / 86,804 Kw = 33.00 kts

Range 11,500nm at 15.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 3,506 tons

Complement:

788 - 1,025

Cost:

£8.224 million / $32.897 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 720 tons, 3.9 %

Armour: 4,179 tons, 22.8 %

- Belts: 1,191 tons, 6.5 %

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %

- Armament: 1,090 tons, 5.9 %

- Armour Deck: 1,838 tons, 10.0 %

- Conning Tower: 60 tons, 0.3 %

Machinery: 3,306 tons, 18.0 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,343 tons, 40.0 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,716 tons, 14.8 %

Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

23,532 lbs / 10,674 Kg = 60.4 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11

Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m

Roll period: 15.5 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.85

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0.540

Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 29.84 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 2.50 ft / 0.76 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 32.00 ft / 9.75 m

- Forecastle (17 %): 21.90 ft / 6.68 m

- Mid (50 %): 21.90 ft / 6.68 m

- Quarterdeck (19 %): 21.90 ft / 6.68 m

- Stern: 21.90 ft / 6.68 m

- Average freeboard: 22.59 ft / 6.88 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.2 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.9 %

Waterplane Area: 34,262 Square feet or 3,183 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 667 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0.97

- Longitudinal: 1.36

- Overall: 1.00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

I can see it as a waste of hulls in the limited by treaty sense, but without that restriction, or for a power that wants to invest in the as least materially cheaper vessels for hulls, why not build large cruisers and heavy armored cruisers?

Its not like we'll have anyone fighting another Jutland or anything....right?

- 1
- 2

*Wednesday, November 14th 2018, 9:40pm*- Go to the top of the page

Forum Software: **Burning Board® Lite 2.1.2 pl 1**, developed by **WoltLab® GmbH**