WesWorld

Thats a tough one, Tiger has better deck armor but inferior belt armor thickness. Tiger also has the bigger guns.

I'd lean slightly towards Tiger being the victor.

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Monty, Rich, at any time in the discussion on Tiger, did anyone bring up the suggestion to remove X turret to free up additional space? The A/B/Y layout seemed to work out for the Renown's.

Hi Wes,

Removing Tiger's "Q" turrret was discussed briefly but, was generally rejected on the grounds of cost (mainly the removal of the barbette) and not being totally necessary. Nevertheless, Tiger still would have been an impressive carrier escort/cruiser killer.

The scenario envisioned for her rebuild has her retained as a training ship in lieu of Iron Duke. She begins her rebuild after the outbreak of war, at which time, all treaties are off. This means, of course, her belt can now be extended/rebuilt.
There was some doubt as to whether the rebuild could have been carried out in the UK so, Richard sent her to the USA for what might have been an even more impressive rebuild along USN lines and certainly a quicker job.

I remember it as being among my favourite fictional discussions and nearly all hands were involved on both "The Warship Discussion Forum" and "The Warship Projects Board". I am not sure that "Wesworld" existed back then and I think it's great the topic has been resurrected here.

Tiger - US rebuilds:

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Monty

Do you have considered to use the deck space between Q and X turret for a hangar (about two decks high) with a catapult on the stern? The planes would then be moved along X barbet to get there but that shouldn´t be a problem....

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Do you have considered to use the deck space between Q and X turret for a hangar (about two decks high) with a catapult on the stern? The planes would then be moved along X barbet to get there but that shouldn´t be a problem....

Hi HoOmAn,

Yes, I was able to install a hangar on the RN version. It was located forward of "X" turret, with the cat on "X" turret. IIRC, the hangar had a sliding roof for aircraft access. It looked terribly cumbersome and although, it wasn't all that high, it was right in "Q" turret's line of fire. Such a concept may have been more suited to a Lion rebuild but, it made Tiger look awful.

I can't seem to find the drawing but, maybe 1Big Rich has a copy he can post.

Monty

I think you've been busy, Monty. I don't think I've seen some of those...

I don't want to take over Desertfox's thread, but I do have the hangared version of Tiger you did:



Removing X turret did come up, Wes, but IIRC in addition to it being thought unnecessary, it was also felt it would deprive Tiger of too much firepower.

Though in that vein, I did a story over on the fiction board about a Dutch 1047 escaping to the UK during the invasion of the low countries, and she winds up getting completed with 6 x 13.5s. As Renown is to Hood, this ship (Zeeland) is to Tiger...

Regards all,

Rich

I don´t think she looks wrong with that hangar....

And I also doubt the hangar will impair her arcs very much....

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I don't want to take over Desertfox's thread

Hey dont worry, the more I know about her the better.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
That would be a loss for the Hertog. 8x343 vs. 8x280

So you think it is a matter of guns only?

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TIGER versus one of my RSANs HERTOGs probably would make for a good fight.

Any guesses how such a fight would end?

Depends on the conditions: if it's a night action, at shorter ranges, Hertog will probably have an advantage (higher ROF main guns, heavier belt armor). A day action with longer ranges plays to Tiger's strengths (heavier main battery, stronger deck armor).

Keep in mind, though, that Hertog is a good deal smaller than Tiger.

The Hertog's extra belt armour won't make any difference compared to 1400lb shells. The 280mm gun fires 666lb shells which won't penetrate Tiger's 9" belt armour at reasonable ranges.

Not much in it for speed.

HMAS Tiger is considerably larger than the Hertogs making her able to absorb more damage.

I'd definitely bet on Tiger to win a fight between them.

I'd always be wary of "666lb shells"....demonic shells!!!
Mwaahahahaha.....

I'm with Hoo on the hangar for Tiger, it dosn't look all that bad. Is the hangar at its minimum required width?
It looks quite large, the same width as the 13.5" turret (what was the width of the 13.5" turret?).

To me it appears that the hangar could be moved aft slightly to improve "X" turrets arc.

Richard, the only real new drawing is the USN Tiger with twin funnels. I must admit though, I have discovered in my earlier drawings, Tiger's superstructure was 16' too long. I have since made the necessary changes in all of the drawings except the one you posted today. The adjusted version of that one is posted below.

Guys, please note the guns of "Q" turret are a greater distance from the hangar now. I still think, however, one salvo from "Q" turret will cave in the hangars sliding roof and set the av-gas ablaze. I also have some doubt as to whether the hangar is high enough.

That you don't mind the look of the thing is fine with me but, I still think Tiger's main function is to fight and, if there's any structure that impedes that function, then it doesn't belong. Maybe there's another way to fit a hangar but, for now, I'll take her without it. Sorry.

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Take care,
Monty

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Originally posted by 1Big Rich


Though in that vein, I did a story over on the fiction board about a Dutch 1047 escaping to the UK during the invasion of the low countries, and she winds up getting completed with 6 x 13.5s. As Renown is to Hood, this ship (Zeeland) is to Tiger...

This sounds interesting! Is the story still up somewhere..?

Here is my latest drawing of Tiger. With end belts, no 6", revise superstructure, funnels, etc.

Right now Australia is using Vought O2Us and Dehavilland Sea Moths. The aircraft shown is just an example.

Much better but I still have a few nitpicks/reservations.

The aft dirrectors could benifit from being one deck higher, and the funnels too could be raised just abit as a result. The foremost secondary's seem to be in a very poor spot abreast "B" turret.

Losing 2 of your secondary turrets shouldn't hurt too much.