WesWorld

Ok
But I sill feel that its to fast.
Avtomat fedorova wose an interesting weapon as it wose put in to production and adopted in the army,but it wose just
abanden with the Arisaka round by the Russian.
As for the Arisaka during the war Japan developed 7,7mm rifle bound to replece it as it wose deamd nasesery to inrese the stoping power.
In real life first succesfull Selfloading rifle that entered produciotion were The M1 Garland and It had just like all others an Full power Rifle round.
First Succesful intermidiet cartriges were tha russian M43 7.62x39mm and the german 7.92x33 mm (7.92mm Kurz).
Both in 1943.

But on the other band it will alove me to give similar weapons to my army.

You know this is the second small arms debate on Naval Bourd the other wose on Warship Projects Discussion Boards 3.0.

There's no question that historically the "true" intermediate round wasn't introduced to service until the middle of WWII. However, it's pretty clear that, looking at the historical record, it COULD have been done much earlier, if the money or the desire had been there. Most all of the WWI combatants had found that their rifles were over-powered, that with machineguns available that they didn't need 1200 meter-capable rifles in every man's hand and that few infantrymen could do anything useful with that much capability anyway.

One other factor that tended to slow adoption of the intermediate round was the desire to be able to reload box-magazine LMGs from the rifle rounds of the infantry squad it's issued to: if you use an intermediate round, the LMG either can't be reloaded from the infantry squad's rifle ammunition, or it has to be chambered for the less-powerful round and loses range.

The "not powerful enough" argument was one that the US used against the .276 Pedersen, and later against the British submission for the new NATO standard round in the 1950s (.280 something, as I recall).

24 April - Berlin
Preliminary reports from the German delegation at the Copenhagen talks have set off jubilation amongst the government coalition parties. The reports suggest that Germany will be released from the strictures of Versailles contingent upon joining the Treaty of Cleito. If true, the government will clearly be able to claim this as a win for Germany and diplomacy. All accounts point to India as being heavily involved in this, and it is the expectation of observers that some means of thanking an old friend will be found.

The reaction amongst the opposition to these reports has been muted, the opposition leadership preferring to take a wait and see attitude when asked for comments on the record. Off the record, some leaders give grudging praise to the government for the results, but clearly these results will not help them change the course of domestic politics.

12 May 1929, Alexandria
The Kriegsmarine flotilla in the Mediterranean has raised anchor and is sailing to it's next port of call, the port of Icel in Turkey. Expectations are that it will arrive in the afternoon of the 16th, after spending some time exercising in the warmer seas and skies of the eastern Med.

16 May, 1929 - Icel, Turkey
The Kriegsmarine flotilla in the Med has dropped anchor in the Turkish port of Icel. On the 18th, Breslau will welcome visitors aboard for tours of one of the Kriegsmarine's most modern ships.


18 May, 1929 - Berlin
Chancellor Cuno has pulled another surprise: another sale of older warships, this time to Turkey. The 6 old 1916MOB torpedo boats that are presently docked at Icel are to be sold to Turkey, with their crews returning home via the Orient Express. The news of this sale provoked much less of a firestorm in the Reichstag than the sale of the predreadnoughts to Poland, as the torpedo boats were acknowledged by all to be of old design and Turkey to be an old friend. The NSDAP deputies complained about weakening the defences of the Reich, but their complaints were not the impassioned speeches of those who truly believed. Rather they were more pro-forma, complaints against a government they reject. Certain KPD and SPD deputies are reported to be hoping that the sales of these vessels means that Germany will proceed down a path of unilateral disarmament, but few observers think this is at all likely.

May 28, 1929 - Icel, Turkey

In a solemn ceremony, the German flag was lowered for the last time on the 1916MOB torpedo boats, their crews saluting the flag from the dockside as the new Turkish crews took possession and ran up the Turkish flag to cheers from the onlookers.


May 29, 1929 - Icel, Turkey

The two CLs, with Breslau in the lead, slipped their moorings this morning and put out to sea, heading for the Straits of Gibraltar.


May 30, 1929 - Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that the Foreign Minister will be leaving in 2 weeks on a world-circling trip aboard the Graf Zeppelin. His itinerary will take him to Cleito, Atlantis, where he will sign the Cleito Treaty on behalf of Germany, then on to the United States, Australia, India, Russia, and Denmark. Plans for his further travel that are mooted in the Ministry include France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Poland.


June 13, 1929 - Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that, due to excessive winds, the Foreign Ministers trip has been postponed until tomorrow.


June 14, 1929 - Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that theGraf Zeppelin, carrying the Foreign Minister, has loosed it's moorings and set out for Atlantis.

TIME WARP

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
June 13, 1929 - Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that, due to excessive winds, the Foreign Ministers trip has been postponed until tomorrow.


June 1, 1929 - Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that theGraf Zeppelin, carrying the Foreign Minister, has loosed it's moorings and set out for Atlantis.

July 1, maybe?

Government cutbacks. They can't afford July, so are forced to recycle June.

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
Government cutbacks. They can't afford July, so are forced to recycle June.

Heh. Well, what actually happened is my keyboard's upper row '4' is not working, and I didn't catch it.

June 15, Berlin

The Reichstag has overwhelmingly voted to instruct Foreign Minister Stresseman to sign the Treaty of Cleito on behalf of Germany and to accept the Treaty as binding on Germany. The bill recieved support from most parties in the Reichstag, with only the NSDAP and most of the KPD deputies voting against it. Dr. Jarres of the DNVP congratulated the government on it's achievement and instructed his opposition party to vote for the bill, which the DNVP deputies did. In the end, the bill passed with over 92% of the deputies voting for it.


June 16, Kiel

The solemn ceremony of lowering the German flag for the last time on Schliesen and Schleswig-Holstein has been completed. The sale of the old ships, ratified by the Reichstag in April, was completed with the handing over of command to their new captains and the raising of the Polish flag on the vessels. It is expected that the two ships will set sail for their new home port within the next couple of days.


June 16, Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced the arrival of
Graf Zeppelin in Atlantis. The expectation here in the capitol is that Foreign Minister Stresseman will sign the Cleito Treaty within the next few days.


June 18, Cleito, Atlantis

German Foreign Minister Gregor Stresseman, on behalf of the German Reich, has signed his name on the Treaty of Cleito, signifying Germany's acceptance of the Treaty and it's limits on German arms.

June 20 - Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that the Foreign Minister is scheduled to leave for the USA (Lakehurst, NJ) on the 27th of the month, once his consultations with the Atlantean government are completed. This assumes, of course, that the weather is favorable for a Zeppelin launch on the 27th.

[And, the last post for an exciting quarter in German history. ]


June 27, Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that the Graf Zeppelin , with Foreign Minister Stresseman and his staff aboard, has left Atlantis after a week of meetings with the government of Atlantis and set course for the United States.


June 29th, Berlin

The Foreign Ministry has announced that Graf Zeppelin has docked at the airship terminal in Lakehurst, NJ, and the Foreign Minister and his staff have arrived at the German Embassy in Washington.