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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 4:38am

Taking some time...

Guys:

On Friday, I became a father to a little boy born far too soon, and with us far too briefly. This is the second time this has happened to Valerie and I, having lost Maeve Arlene in 2000 and now Nathanial George William as well.

We are taking some time to ourselves to recover, so it will be a few days before I return to the Board in earnest.

Thanks,

J

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 4:41am

Very sorry to hear this. Will be praying for y'all.

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 4:44am

I'm sorry to hear that. As soon as your absence was noticed I had a thought that that subject might be related...but I'd hoped for the better half of that problem.

Perhaps you'll get one of your own for quite a bit longer next time.....like 60 of your years and then several beyond your own.

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 6:42am

I'm very sorry to hear that Jason. I think I can safely say we all feel for you. I'm not really a religious man but that being said my prayers are with you and Valerie.

HoOmAn

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 8:48am

Bad news....

Those are no good news. :o( I really hoped and wished things would be okay for you two and now I´m saddened to read they are not.

Sometimes this is a cruel world we live in but I hope Val and you will find the strength to recover and to get back on your feet again.

My deepest sympathy,

Stephan

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 9:42am

Jason,

Words fail me. I'm very sorry, I think the loss of a child is the saddest news in the world. My thoughts and prayers with you , Valerie, Maeve and Nathanial at this time.

Roger,

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 10:05am

I have to admit, this does hit the soul hard. I just had a close couple of freinds of mine who just gained a son and then to hear this news simply just hits you in the gut.

All I can really say is I hope you two can overcome this tragedy and come out stronger because of it.

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 4:23pm

My deepest sympathies to both of you, You will be in my prayers.

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 7:49pm

My deepest condolences.

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 8:50pm

I'm sorry to hear that. Will be praying for you.

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Tuesday, September 20th 2005, 9:02pm

No parents should have to bury their child. I'll be thinking of you.

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Wednesday, September 21st 2005, 12:41am

I can only echo what others have said. Take what time you must. My thoughts are with you and your family.

Robert.

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Wednesday, September 21st 2005, 1:21am

My heart goes out to you

Knowing the place my children have in my heart, I can imagine the pain were I to lose them. My most heartfelt prayers and deepest condolences are with you.

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Wednesday, September 21st 2005, 2:11am

My other half, Deirdre, sends her deepest sympathies also.

I have not yet been lucky enough to have children, no matter for how short a time, but please do not give up hope.
In my case, I am the eldest child of my parents but the second born, and my little sister is the third (youngest) but the fifth born. I know that this is of little comfort, but you must NOT give up hope.

If you feel like typing, please do, my ears and eyes are yours!

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Wednesday, September 21st 2005, 2:45am

Thank you, guys, for the kind words. Val sends her thanks as well.

As crappy as this is, it's not entirely unexpected. We lost Maeve because Val has an "incompetent" cervix, an unfortunate term that means that the cervix opens up earlier than the ~40 weeks gestation. Out comes baby. In Maeve's case we had no warning whatsoever; Val started bleeding and having pains, and thirty-six hours later, there was Maeve.

Fast-forward to this year, and after three first-trimester miscarriages, we started seeing a high-risk specialist. Although we expressed our concern about the cervix, the doctors at the other hospital hadn't actually done that great a job documenting what happened. So we didn't qualify for a "cerclage", where the doctor stitches the cervix together for a while. The first few ultrasounds suggested it was fine, then the one two weeks ago showed it to be thinning. For me in particular, this was an "Oh shit" moment.

By then, it was too late for a cerclage - too much risk of injuring baby - so Val was put on complete bed-rest. This past Wednesday night, she started feeling occasional sharp pains. By Thursday morning, they were becoming more frequent, and she was starting to bleed a bit. We went to the hospital and started the round of tests.

The ultrasound, when we got to it, showed us what I feared - Val's cervix was open and baby was head-down, not far from the birthing position. While this was clear to both of us, just looking at the screen, it would be another 90 minutes before we got a doctor to confirm it. Val was admitted and given a room; I ran home to do essential farm chores (feeding critters) while a friend stayed with her, then I came back to spend the night.

About 1:00 AM Friday, Val went into labor. It kept up, contractions every three minutes, all morning, with Val taking various drugs and me comforting/massaging her (I still haven't gotten to a lamaze class...). By 6:30, I was ready to keel over from fatigue, and called our friend for help. She was with Val when I woke up in a chair at 8.

At 9:35, Nathanial literally popped out. Unfortunately, at 22 weeks, he was a full two weeks younger than the hospital's threshold for intervention. His lungs, in particular, were too underdeveloped for technology to assist. So there was absolutely no question that we were going to lose him, and soon. Each of us held him - Val's memories are regrettably hazy on account of the drugs - and he was baptized. Around 11:00, he passed away, probably while he was in my arms.

We were discharged in the early evening and spent the weekend to ourselves, though we must have received thirty phone calls. We're now waiting to receive Nathanial's ashes later in the week; there will be no public service, we both happen to detest that form of grieving. Instead, we'll simply invite whomever to come out to the house in small groups and go through his memory box with us.

...which means I'll be pretty busy, as it sounds like most of my extended family will be descending on us in the next two weeks. Gulp...

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Wednesday, September 21st 2005, 2:57am

...and not to yield.

Well, with "complete" documentation on the matter at hand...you may get better result next time. Remind the doctors that their job is to "do no harm" if they refuse to see patterns.

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Wednesday, September 21st 2005, 3:03am

Nathanial's case has provided ample documentation for our current doctor, who we will be returning to, whether my mother likes it nor not. Now we need to wait for a battery of other tests to come back, so we can see if there are some other, previously unsuspected issues that need to be addressed.

Trying again is not a sure thing. We need to know that we'll have better than even odds of going to term before we try again. This just isn't something we can bear over and over again.