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Japan’s Naval Developments – Q3/1927

A. Industrial Allocation

27/27 factories producing warship material = 27,000 t. No stockpiled materials available. 27,000 t are used, no materials stockpiled.

0/27 factories are dedicated to producing infrastructure material, = 0x 0.1 = 0.0 points.

B. Infrastructure Development

None.

C. Naval Construction

Kure Navy Yard, Kure (Honshu)
Slip V-1A => idle
Slip I-1A => idle
Slip I-1B => idle
Dock V-1A => idle
Free-floating: DD2 Isonami receives 420 tons.
Free-floating: DD2 Hatsuharu receives 426 tons.

Yokosuka Navy Yard, Yokosuka (Honshu)
Slip V-2A => idle
Slip I-2A => idle
Slip I-2B => idle
Dock 0-2A => idle
Free-floating: DD2 Shinonome receives 420 tons.
Free-floating: DD2 Nenohi receives 426 tons.
Free-floating: BC Dairen receives 2607 tons.

Kawasaki Co, Kobe (Honshu)
Slip V-3A => CV Soryu receives 2070 tons.
Slip II-3A => idle
Slip I-3A => idle
Dock II-3A => idle
Free-floating: DD2 Usugumo receives 420 tons.
Free-floating: CDM Hideyoshi Hashiba completed 8/25/27 (keep eye on Q3 news)
Free-floating: BC Tai-Pei receives 2607 tons.

Mitsubushi Co, Nagasaki (Kyushu)
Slip V-4A => CV Hiryu receives 2070 tons.
Slip II-4A => idle
Slip I-4A => idle
Dock II-4A => idle
Free-floating: DD2 Hatsushimo receives 426 tons.

Fukuoka Navy Yard, Fukuoka (Kyushu)
Slip III-5A => idle
Slip II-5A => idle
Slip I-5A => Shirakumo laid down 1/1/27. Receives 420 tons.
Dock IV-5A => idle
Free-floating: CDBB Chikan Chuui receives 2016 tons.

Hakodate Navy Yard, Hakodate (Hokkaido)
Slip III-6A => idle
Slip II-6A => idle
Slip I-6A => Miyuki laid down 1/1/27. Receives 420 tons.
Free-floating: CA Isawa Maho receives 1692 tons.

Aomori Navy Yard, Aomori (Honshu)
Slip III-7A => idle
Slip I-7A => Uranami laid down 1/1/27. Receives 420 tons.
Dock I-7A => idle
Free-floating: CA Shibahime Tsubasa receives 1692 tons.
Free-floating: CV Chosen completed 7/4/27

Kagoshima Navy Yard, Kagoshima (Kyushu)
Slip III-8A => idle
Slip I-8A => Shikinami laid down 1/1/27. Receives 420 tons.
Dock I-8A => idle
Slip 0-8A => idle
Slip 0-8B => idle
Dock 0-8A => idle
Free-floating: CA Sena Rika receives 1692 tons.

Wakayama Navy Yard, Wakayama (Honshu)
Slip III-9A => Urarake laid down 1/1/27. Receives 1365 tons.
Slip I-9A => Ayanami laid down 1/1/27. Receives 420 tons.
Dock I-9A => Wakaba laid down 1/1/27. Receives 426 tons.
Free-floating: CA Sawada Aya receives 1692 tons.

Tokushima Navy Yard, Tokushima (Shikoku)
Slip III-10A => idle
Slip I-10A => Yugure laid down 1/1/27. Receives 426 tons.
Dock I-10A => idle
Free-floating: CV Formosa completed 7/4/27.

Niigata Navy Yard, Niigata (Honshu)
Slip I-11A => idle
Slip I-11B => Ariake laid down 1/1/27. Receives 426 tons.
Dock III-11A => idle

Niihama Navy Yard, Niihama (Shikoku)
Slip I-12A => Shiratsuyu laid down 1/1/27. Receives 426 tons.
Slip I-12B => Shigure laid down 1/1/27. Receives 426 tons.
Dock III-12A => idle

D. Transactions
Armored Cruiser Iwate, Light Cruiser Abukuma and the Destroyers Yunagi, Oite and Hayate handed over to the RPN.

E. Other Notes
Chosen and Formosa (Chosen class, CV) starting shakedown cruises
Hideyoshi Hashiba (Hideyoshi class, Monitor) starting shakedown cruise.
N.E.I.N., Wandam Harrer, Lotus, Balounga, The Blazing Empress, Assaram Skins, Princess I. Yarn Vatshu, Christine V, Viorate Tryton and Brauma Ik (FSS: OC class, DD3) continuing shakedown cruises.
Banchrotte Borishoi NaphManca, Demilight Vatsher, Ned Swans, Eydence Ark Lader, Queen Anessa Tilber, Miyaza Heczey, Mondo Hotas, Dr. Diamond Neutral, Nonna Strauß and Natrium Sakurako (FSS: OC class, DD3) completing shakedown cruises.

New units laid down this quarter:
Urarake of the Atatake class requires 7499 tons and 16.5 months.
Shirakumo, Miyuki, Uranami, Shikinami, and Ayanami of the Fubuki class require 1539 tons and 11 months
Wakaba, Yugure, Ariake, Shiratsuyu, and Shigure of the Akatsuki class require 1551 tons and 11 months.

Repairs.
None

F. Updated Order of Battle, 9/30/27

Note: Y)+Z = completed (under repair/refit) + under construction

Limited warships:
Battleships: 7(0)+2
Aircraft Carriers: 3(0)+2
Heavy Cruisers: 5(0)+4
Light Cruisers: 13(0)+0
Destroyers class 1: 0(0)+0
Destroyers class 2: 27(0)+16
Submarines: 7(0)+0
Coast Defense Vessels: 4(0)+1
Museum ships: 2(0)+0

Non-limited Warships
Destroyers class 3: 223(0)+0
Gunboats: 32(0)+0
Minelayers: 27(0)+0
Minesweepers: 18(0)+0
Submarine Chasers class 1: 30(0)+0
Submarine Chasers class 2: 42(0)+0
Corvettes: 30(0)+0

Auxiliaries
Ammunition ships: 3(0)+0
Oilers: 9(0)+0
Cargo ships: 31(0)+0
Transport ships: 16(0)+0
Tenders: 7(0)+0
Repair ships: 5(0)+0
Netlayer and target towing vessel: 4(0)+0
Naval Tugs: 12(0)+0

Q1
PACIFICA
Agana (Guam)
D1: idle
D0: under construction. 0.3 points received from Formosa and 0.3 points received from Chosen (0.8 of 1.0).

Battleships: 0(0)+0
Aircraft Carriers: 0(0)+0
Heavy Cruisers: 1(0)+0
Light Cruisers: 2(0)+0
Destroyers class 1: 0(0)+0
Destroyers class 2: 3(0)+0
Submarines: 7(0)+0
Coast Defense Vessels: 4(0)+1
Museum ships: 2(0)+0
TPB: 2(0)+1

Correct me if I'm wrong but these numbers look odd....

Non-limited Warships
Destroyers class 3: 223(0)+0

If I'm reading your Class 3 destroyer stats right in the encyclopedia, the bulk of these "unlimited" warships exceed the unlimited warship max speed of 24 knots by 5 or 6 knots depending on the class of ships...

Am I missing something here?

Ships under 600 tons have no speed limit:

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G. VESSELS NOT SUBJECT TO LIMITATIONS IN NUMBER AND/OR TONNAGE

I.

Subject to any special agreements which may submit them to
limitation, the following vessels are exempt from limitation:

(a) Naval surface combatant vessels of 600 tons (610 metric tons)
standard displacement and under;

Lets look at the entire set of rules....

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G. VESSELS NOT SUBJECT TO LIMITATIONS IN NUMBER AND/OR TONNAGE

I.

Subject to any special agreements which may submit them to
limitation, the following vessels are exempt from limitation:

(a) Naval surface combatant vessels of 600 tons (610 metric tons)
standard displacement and under;


(b) Naval surface combatant vessels exceeding 600 tons (610 metric
tons), but not exceeding 2,000 tons (2,032 metric tons) standard
displacement, provided they have none of the following
characteristics:
(1) Mount a gun above 5.1 inch (130 mm) calibre;
(2) Mount more than eight guns above 3 inch (76 mm) calibre;
(3) Are designed or fitted to launch torpedoes;
(4) Are designed for a speed greater than 24 knots.
(5) Are fitted to receive aircraft on board from the air.


(c) Naval surface vessels not specifically built as fighting ships
which are employed on fleet duties or as troop transports or in
some other way than as fighting ships, provided they have none of
the following characteristics:
(1) Mount a gun above 6 inch (153 mm) calibre;
(2) Mount more than four guns above 3 inch (76 mm) calibre;
(3) Are designed or fitted to launch torpedoes:
(4) Are designed for a speed greater than 20 knots;
(5) Are protected by armour plate on the hull;
(6) Are designed or fitted to launch mines;
(7) Are fitted to receive aircraft on board from the air;
( Mount more than one aircraft-launching apparatus on the
centre line; or two, one on each broadside;
(9) If fitted with any means of launching aircraft into the air,
are designed or adapted to operate at sea more than ten
aircraft.


II.

Following special consideration, icebreakers large enough to be
counted in subcategory (c) in Part 3, Chapter F, Article I (c) above,
shall be counted in that subcategory despite having a hull-
construction that would otherwise cause the icebreaker to be armoured
on the hull, provided that (a) the total number of such icebreakers
shall not exceed two thirds of the maximum number of capital ships
allowed to each nation, rounded down, and (b) that these vessels in
all other particulars do not exceed the limitations pursuant to ships
classed under Part 3, Chapter F, Article I (c).

I find it odd that ships above 600 tons would be limited to a max of eight guns above 3", but those below wouldn't, espeacialy considering that the American Eagle boats of a similar size (below 600 tons) only carried 2x4", 2x3" and 4 MG.

It would be interesting to see a drawing of these ships ;-)

Well, obviously the Treaty drafters decided that you couldn't fit all that many guns on so small a ship, and decided that they didn't need to spell out a limit, not considering the ingenuity of those pesky ship designers. ;-)

As I said a drawing really would show just how well designed these ships truely are. Looking at the stats (and the unlimited ships rules) I'm confident I can churn out a much better (and dare I say realistic) design all using SS3.

That is about the only place I have an advantage that I'm not using fully. I can have ships designed in any configuration really since Chile is outside the treaty. I just have to build them myself.

...or you could have them built in Chosen, Formosa or Denmark. :-)

...or Turkey.

It is quite funny that something like this comes up now that the last ones are completing their shakedown cruises.

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I'm confident I can churn out a much better (and dare I say realistic) design all using SS3.

Do you mean Sharp v3.0!?! (I didn't know it was already available to us)
Can you really compare Sharp 3 with Sharp 1?

I mean comparing Style to sharp (which I refer to as "SS3"). Style certainly allows you to pack on tons of guns on a hull that really shouldn't be able to carry them some of my now obsolete designs have benifited from that. Your 1912 design surely packs more punch than the American Eagle boats of similar size built 4 years later.

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It is quite funny that something like this comes up now that the last ones are completing their shakedown cruises.

No biggie, its all good and sorted out now anyway and I've been in a similar situation too ala floatplane tender/carrier deals being completed only to have them questioned.

My curiousity and request for clairification results in my current interest in "unlimited" designs so this little discussion has helped greatly! ;-)

Could one build a large floating fortress or battery?

...And then mount engines to it, yet not be counted against any treaty limits, or gun size restrictions as it was not built as a "ship"?

I'm thinking round or ovoid designs. (Not for Chile, but just to see what the reaction would be).

I suppose you could, it wouldn't make much economic sence however. It also really wouldn't follow the "spirit" of the treaty.

Make a ship that doesn't float. A ship that doesn't float isn't a ship. However I'm sure of it's usefulness.

that made sence....sort of

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A ship that doesn't float isn't a ship.

No. It would be a submarine then...
:-)

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I mean comparing Style to sharp (which I refer to as "SS3").

Would have been easier to have referred to is as 'Style'.

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Your 1912 design surely packs more punch than the American Eagle boats of similar size built 4 years later.

That's cuz we're Japanese. We can do everything better... Except for blowing up our ships. The Filipinos are true masters in that.
:-)

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My curiousity and request for clairification results in my current interest in "unlimited" designs so this little discussion has helped greatly! ;-)

If you want to build such ships, remember that Sharp 2 doesn't really like the small designs. A Style design is better than a Sharp 2 design.

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That's cuz we're Japanese. We can do everything better... Except for blowing up our ships. The Filipinos are true masters in that. :-)

"I am the Master, and I shall explode you!"



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