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Kaiser

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Friday, February 18th 2005, 12:01pm

German 1927 Light Cruiser

Instead of the more prevalent "Maximum" 8,000 ton Category-B Light Cruiser, I have been working on this smaller and cheaper alternative.

Still packs armament and armour equivalent to the previous Ersatz Arcona Class, but is significantly smaller and cheaper.
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CL27 City Class, German Light Cruiser laid down 1927

Displacement:
5,532 t light; 5,792 t standard; 7,225 t normal; 8,372 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
476.28 ft / 467.00 ft x 57.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
145.17 m / 142.34 m x 17.37 m x 5.79 m

Armament:
9 - 5.87" / 149 mm guns (3x3 guns), 121.25lbs / 55.00kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1927 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all aft
2 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1927 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1927 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,315 lbs / 597 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
16 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 334.36 ft / 101.91 m 9.06 ft / 2.76 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.49" / 13 mm 0.49" / 13 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.49" / 13 mm 0.49" / 13 mm
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.49" / 13 mm -
5th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.49" / 13 mm -

- Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 3.15" / 80 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 66,348 shp / 49,496 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 14,400nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,580 tons

Complement:
391 - 509

Cost:
£2.203 million / $8.813 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 142 tons, 2.0 %
Armour: 1,058 tons, 14.6 %
- Belts: 397 tons, 5.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 232 tons, 3.2 %
- Armour Deck: 403 tons, 5.6 %
- Conning Tower: 25 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 2,094 tons, 29.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,208 tons, 30.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,694 tons, 23.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5,863 lbs / 2,659 Kg = 58.0 x 5.9 " / 149 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.19 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.50 ft / 7.77 m
- Forecastle (14 %): 20.30 ft / 6.19 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.30 ft / 6.19 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 20.30 ft / 6.19 m
- Stern: 20.30 ft / 6.19 m
- Average freeboard: 20.60 ft / 6.28 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.8 %
Waterplane Area: 18,444 Square feet or 1,713 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 357 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.68
- Longitudinal: 1.79
- Overall: 0.75
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


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Friday, February 18th 2005, 2:05pm

Transom stern and 149mm guns?

Kaiser

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Friday, February 18th 2005, 2:18pm

The German 15cm weapon was actually 149.1mm / 5.87in.

Transom stern is just part of the ongoing quest for weight reduction.

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Friday, February 18th 2005, 2:22pm

Hmmmmm....

Are these ships allowed under the VT? What units do they replace and are they allowed to replace those units?

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Friday, February 18th 2005, 2:40pm

There will still be two Gazelle and two Berlin class cruisers, none younger than 25 years, to be replaced at some point. This type is certainly a vast improvement on those old clunkers.

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 7:29pm

She looks ok, but not as good as my Condottieri I Class which are also built to 6000t, 0.75 strength. They gain an extra 2knts of speed and 100mm secondaries. Armour in both classes is about the same. Why is the range so long?

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 8:28pm

I'd say that they are designed to go hunting in the Southern Pacific... I mean Southern Atlantic.

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 8:44pm

Well as long as they don't go picking fights with the neighbors....the South Atlantic neighbors.

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 9:13pm

But raiding in the Atlantic is now even more stupid than historically. having a continental landmass in the middle to get round makes things a little harder.

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 9:24pm

I guess this brings up the following question: How did the German submarine blockades of the United Kingdom and I suppose Atlantis go during the Great War? And with that the raiders.

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 9:37pm

Please don't ask those sorts of questions Ithekro, just think of what effect Atlantis would have on the weather if nothing else.

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 9:39pm

For the submarines, I'd guess it was business as usual, focusing on Britain. Atlantis isn't really conveniently located to help protect convoys from North America.

As for interdicting Atlantis itself, it's that much further away (so more fuel spent just getting to and fro), they're fighting on less crucial fronts (mainly the Med and Aegean), and, being bigger, probably more difficult to starve into submission. I think there'd be a minimal amount of effort to hit them - just enough to force Atlantis to spend assets on defensive measures.

Couldn't say about the raiders. Maybe they didn't do as well, but it's not like they had a crucial effect on the war anyway.

Kaiser

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 10:24pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Red Admiral
She looks ok, but not as good as my Condottieri I Class which are also built to 6000t, 0.75 strength. They gain an extra 2knts of speed and 100mm secondaries. Armour in both classes is about the same. Why is the range so long?


Range was not reall a consideration in the design, more that CL27 can operate at 32 knots for 60 hours continuously, which is a good thing in the Baltic and North Sea.

From my point of view, you traded off 2 knots for poor subdivision, a less stable gun platform, a far weaker AA suite, thinner belt armour, fewer guns with lighter shells and a lot less ammunition for your main armament.

About the only thing I would give your design is better deck armour, but how much use is that going to be when a 6in engagement is likely going to be inside 15,000 yards?

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 11:08pm

Quoted

From my point of view, you traded off 2 knots for poor subdivision, a less stable gun platform, a far weaker AA suite, thinner belt armour, fewer guns with lighter shells and a lot less ammunition for your main armament.

About the only thing I would give your design is better deck armour, but how much use is that going to be when a 6in engagement is likely going to be inside 15,000 yards?


A less stable gun platform, but with over twice as much stability. The AA suites are the same. The 37mm gun can shoot down any single plane with 1 shell, and is far more likely to hit. It doesn't matter that the AA ceiling is fairly low, planes can't actually fly that high, and if they could, how do they hit you without a bombsight? Whereas the 100mm gun packs far more punch against destroyers/anything else. Fewer guns/lighter shells doesn't really matter. 5kg isn't going to make any difference, and triples fire slower than (most) twins. Less ammunition, i've still got 0.02 hull strength left over if i wanted to add any more.

My advantage are those two whole knots of speed, which means that these cruisers are faster than all destroyers in Wesworld apart from 2 or 3 classes. Speed is armour, and I definitely like their 3kt advantage over RSAN Rosario et al.

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 11:26pm

You know....I'm going to see if I can answer the question of what Atlantis would do the the Earth's weather. There must be a weather study program project someplace that has a land mass modeller....

Kaiser

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Saturday, February 19th 2005, 11:27pm

Maybe, but your design will choke on a single torpedo and can only take about half as many non-critical shell hits.

It's all tradeoffs. Metacentric height is pretty much the same and if I went for stability, CL27 would come out at 130 with a trim of 51.

I put a higher priority on gunnery performance and survivability while speed is your priority.

The historical German 15cm SK/C25 triple has a faster rate of fire than the mountings used on the 1st group of Condottieri and is at least equal to the later groups as well.

The point is moot from my point of view anyway. The CL27 design is a fleet cruiser designed to screen against torpedo attack and be the command ship for Torpedo Boat flotillas.