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Tuesday, May 27th 2003, 1:21pm

Greek governmental Communiqué 17/12/1920

Communiqué From the Greek ministry of defence to all treaty members


The new provisional unity government of Greece would like to inform all signatories that Greece has accepted the Australian government’s offer of sale in relation to the 15 former Admiralty M class Destroyers.

As of this day 17/12/1920 the former Australian naval units DD45, DD46, DD48, DD49, DD50, DD51, DD53, DD54, DD61, DD63, DD64, DD65, DD70, DD77, and DD79 have now become the property of the Greek nation.

These ships are yet to be named.

The Greek government would also like to inform all treaty members that it only intends to rearm and commission 8 units of this class. The remaining 7 units are to be cannibalised for parts.

Information on the terms of sale will be made available at a later date through normal channels.

The ships statistics will also be provided at a later date.



Admiral Takis Talknotalotalopoles
The acting minister of defence
On behalf of the new provisional unity government of Greece


End of Communiqué

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Tuesday, May 27th 2003, 4:43pm

Could we please slow down on the inflation of dates just a little bit in these news-communiqués? We are now already on December 17th, and if dates keep progressing while we wait to hear if there is anything else which needs correcting in the treaty (things that in an actual treaty-negotiation would have taken a few hours around a table to resolve, but which here take much longer because I have to trek around town looking for train-tickets, others have thesises to write and so on), and the infrastructure-rules, we will be in june 1921 before the treaty is signed and the sim can actually start.

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Tuesday, May 27th 2003, 7:48pm

I thought the treaty was ready to be signed so those dates shouldn't matter.
But...
... the treaty talks take place between certain dates and the final day given in the treaty is December 6, 1920. We might already be at December 17 with the news reports but the treaty has already been signed then. Any adjustments to be made to the treaty or discussions about it would have have taken place in the period between August 12 and December 6. Even if it is December 7, 1941 SIM time the treaty would still have been signed in late 1920.

Walter

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Tuesday, May 27th 2003, 10:48pm

Then we need to go through every news-announcement made recently to check for dates and what is announced, to make certain that nothing has been announced that is in violation of treaty (such as sales of battleships or battlecruisers.

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Wednesday, May 28th 2003, 7:25pm

Well, we're still in 1920 and the treaty won't come into effect until 1/1/1921. So there should be no problem with that yet (I hope).
You can still sell ships or lay down 60,000 ton BBs with 18 inch guns, but after 1/1/1921 you cannot sell anymore ships and you will have to scrap that 60,000 ton BB.

At least that is the way I look at it.

Walter

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Wednesday, May 28th 2003, 7:29pm

"You can still sell ships or lay down 60,000 ton BBs with 18 inch guns"

Actually, it doesn´t make sense anyway.... There is a paragraph/article that says something about 1.11.20, IIRC....

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Wednesday, May 28th 2003, 8:02pm

Of course that doesn't make sense !

I believe you mean the first few lines of Part 3, Section A, article V:

Quoted

The Contracting Powers may retain respectively capital ships that
were in existence, or under construction and not suspended, on
November 1st 1920, such that the numbers and tonnage of completed
capital ships in possession of each Contracting Power at any time
shall not exceed the numbers and tonnage allowed each Contracting
Power, as prescribed in Part 3, Chapter A, Article IV above.



So any BBs laid down after November 1, 1920 cannot be retained, but you can still lay down BBS between November 1, 1920 and December 31 1920. (However, you might get a conflict with your infrastructure points this way (... or was it factories ?) if this ship is not included in the calculation)
A Nation with aggressive tendencies might do something like that to make it clear to other nations: 'Look ! We have the ability to build something on this scale. We shall abide to the treaty but beware... If anyone dares to violate the treaty, we shall build ships of this size.'

For all we know, if you sim this ship, you might get a design failure or an instable ship or a poor seaboat. But we'll never know for sure since this ship will be scrapped anyway in 1921.
It would be a show of force, but maybe some other nations might not like such an act. In reality, it's just a total waste putting warship materials into a ship that will be scrapped anyway.

Why doesn't it make sense ? Because something like that would be pretty much an act of stupidity.

Walter