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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 10:35am

1925 Light Cruiser



A class of 4 laid down in 1925. After experimenting with the Pisa-Class ships, Italian designers have returned to something more typical. A new 6"/50 twin turret is used with 4 mounts, giving considerable firepower for a 6,000t ship. The Armourscheme is the same as for Pisa, but with a 10mm thick splinter plate added to the deck armour. The semi automatic 65mm gun is used again; the RoF of 20rpm is found to be more than adequate against surface targets. The main advantage of the class is their 34knt speed which will allow them to run away if need be.

Because they are smaller than 6000t light, i've built them to 0.75 hull-strength. These are only mediterrnean ships anyway, so it won't greatly matter.

Condottieri I, Italian Light Cruiser laid down 1925

Displacement:
5,814 t light; 6,002 t standard; 6,609 t normal; 7,094 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
542.40 ft / 524.93 ft x 52.49 ft x 19.52 ft (normal load)
165.32 m / 160.00 m x 16.00 m x 5.95 m

Armament:
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1925 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 961 lbs / 436 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
8 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.76" / 70 mm 443.04 ft / 135.04 m 8.69 ft / 2.65 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 130 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.76" / 70 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 1.97" / 50 mm

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 2.76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 72,600 shp / 54,160 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 3,100nm at 20.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,092 tons)

Complement:
366 - 476

Cost:
£2.070 million / $8.281 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 118 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 1,126 tons, 17.0 %
- Belts: 423 tons, 6.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 159 tons, 2.4 %
- Armour Deck: 523 tons, 7.9 %
- Conning Tower: 21 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 2,357 tons, 35.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,163 tons, 32.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 794 tons, 12.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,089 lbs / 1,855 Kg = 37.9 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 13.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.38 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (8 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Mid (40 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (8 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Stern: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Average freeboard: 18.29 ft / 5.58 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 129.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.4 %
Waterplane Area: 17,967 Square feet or 1,669 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 351 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.73
- Longitudinal: 1.32
- Overall: 0.78
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 11:18am

Very potent small cruiser. Using 0,75 instead of 1,00 for hull-strength helps a lot, as it seems. :o)

I think the bc used is a little bit low for a ship her size, isnt´it?

Some nit picking:

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
Because they are smaller than 6000t light, i've built them to 0.75 hull-strength. These are only mediterrnean ships anyway, so it won't greatly matter.

Displacement:
5,814 t light; 6,002 t standard; 6,609 t normal; 7,094 t full load


Your ships 3ts too heavy for said rules as they are referring to standard, not light displacement.

Should be easy to fix. Just increase her range a little bit, you´ve enough hull-strength left.

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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 2:01pm

Quoted

I think the bc used is a little bit low for a ship her size, isnt´it?


As I said before, these are Meditternean cruisers, not blue-water.

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Your ships 3ts too heavy for said rules as they are referring to standard, not light displacement.

Should be easy to fix. Just increase her range a little bit, you´ve enough hull-strength left.


She got slightly larger with the advent of SSv.2 as opposed to SS ß2.

I'll just slightly increase the range.

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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 2:16pm

They are definately "lookers". They also remind me of my own need to get cracking with a similar design for Atlantis. Thankfully I have a lot of older cruisers to replace.

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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 3:04pm

Turrets

Her turrets I like most even though the original 15cm twins used on early italian cruisers also looked cool. They just caused a lot of dispersion due to their barrels being so close to each other. Nevertheless, they looked cool....

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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 3:37pm

You forgot to mention that they looked cool ;-p

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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 4:06pm



Comme ça?

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152/53 1926 Ansaldo
Used onboard the Di Giussano class. The only model with loading only at the fixed elvation of 20°.

152/53 1929 OTO
Used onboard the Diaz, Attendolo and Aosta classes.

These two models were to be used with the same ammos, with similar dispersion problems. The initial speed, at the beginning near to 1000 m/s, was again reduced by 100 m/s, but the dispersion remained significant.


However at the moment I am using a 6"/50 gun, which doesn't have quite the same performance but isn't likely to blow up in my face. In the future, I'll probably move to the 6"/53 M1929 or something else.

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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 5:24pm

Potent little ships.

Good armor for the size, and nice looking, when they aren't a 34-kt blur.

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Sunday, October 31st 2004, 9:05pm

So far I've been patterning my 1930s CLs after the RL Leipzig and Nurnberg; might have to make a few revisions now. ;)