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I plan to lay a few of these down this coming year. Is there anything wrong with it?

Capitan Orella (II), Chilean Destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
659 t light; 677 t standard; 699 t normal; 714 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
222.00 ft / 220.00 ft x 26.25 ft x 9.00 ft (normal load)
67.67 m / 67.06 m x 8.00 m x 2.74 m

Armament:
2 - 2.88" / 73.3 mm guns in single mounts, 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 1925 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1925 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1925 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships
Weight of broadside 30 lbs / 14 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 18,149 shp / 13,539 Kw = 29.00 kts
Range 650nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 40 tons)

Complement:
67 - 88

Cost:
£0.252 million / $1.007 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 362 tons, 51.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 269 tons, 38.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 40 tons, 5.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
247 lbs / 112 Kg = 20.6 x 2.9 " / 73 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.471
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 75 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 2.39 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 15.99 ft / 4.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.2 %
Waterplane Area: 3,586 Square feet or 333 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 57 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 27 lbs/sq ft or 131 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 9.86
- Overall: 0.67
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Designed to replace the three destroyer leaders lost in action by Britain and Nordmark.

Capitan Simpson, Chilean Destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
1,310 t light; 1,373 t standard; 1,701 t normal; 1,957 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
350.00 ft / 345.00 ft x 31.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
106.68 m / 105.16 m x 9.45 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
8 - 4.30" / 109 mm guns in single mounts, 39.75lbs / 18.03kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
on centreline amidships
4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft
2 - 1.90" / 48.3 mm guns in single mounts, 3.43lbs / 1.56kg shells, 1925 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 345 lbs / 156 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 30,622 shp / 22,844 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 7,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 591 tons)

Complement:
132 - 172

Cost:
£0.633 million / $2.533 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 43 tons, 2.5 %
Machinery: 796 tons, 46.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 420 tons, 24.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 392 tons, 23.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 2.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
433 lbs / 196 Kg = 10.9 x 4.3 " / 109 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.464
Length to Beam Ratio: 11.13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.57 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 83
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8.03 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.25 ft / 6.48 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.25 ft / 4.34 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Stern: 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Average freeboard: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 173.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.8 %
Waterplane Area: 6,592 Square feet or 612 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 71 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 145 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.69
- Overall: 0.56
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

The smaller one is kinda useless as a destroyer, I'd reclassify as a patrol boat or something similiarly small.

The second one isn't too bad, but would it be worth trading number of guns ( for heavier guns (130mm)?

That would be for a later model. Chile is playing catchup at the moment.

Besides, they'd rather go for 140mm armed destroyers.

The smaller ones would be second class destroyers (or frigates I guess would be a good term). Patrol boat or cutter would work too I suppose.

For the leader, the speed and torpedo armament are less than some contemporaries, but then, that's what you give up if you want lotsa guns!

On the smaller design, I'm afraid it won't last long against some of her smaller contemporaries, such as the South African Taygete, the British 1922 TB, or the French Meuse class light combatants. A further advantage of these other light ships is they do not count against Destroyer tonnage, whereas yours will if Chile signs the Cleito treaty.

I like the second one.

Agree the first is rather weak - perhaps Chile should order some Defiant-class boats from Britain?

What about a lighter destroyer with some extra punch?
(edited due to lack of space on the hull)

Rough gun arrangement:
------starboard-----0.5 ----------37mm
bow----------5.9----------(5 torp) -------4.3---4.3----stern
-------port-----------0.5 ----------37mm

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Capitan Orella (IIa)

Chilean Destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
669 t light; 701 t standard; 749 t normal; 785 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
226.00 ft / 220.00 ft x 27.50 ft x 11.00 ft (normal load)
68.89 m / 67.06 m x 8.38 m x 3.35 m

Armament:
1 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
2 - 4.30" / 109 mm guns in single mounts, 39.75lbs / 18.03kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount
2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1925 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 185 lbs / 84 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
5 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18,080 shp / 13,488 Kw = 29.00 kts
Range 1,500nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 87 tons)

Complement:
71 - 93

Cost:
£0.301 million / $1.206 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 23 tons, 3.1 %
Machinery: 352 tons, 46.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 284 tons, 37.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 80 tons, 10.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
238 lbs / 108 Kg = 2.3 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.394
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 73 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.14 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.25 ft / 7.09 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 15.21 ft / 4.64 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78.8 %
Waterplane Area: 3,508 Square feet or 326 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 55 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 147 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 8.37
- Overall: 0.66
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

I think she´s too slow and features too many guns of too many different calibers. A single 15cm on her bow won´t help much - just make handling more difficult.

What´s such a short legged ship good for? She can´t even hardly sail your costline while keeping some kind of operational reserve?!

I´ve not re-simed her but I wonder about her long. hull-strength....

What does such a little creature need "good seaship" for?

Just curious...

I just tend to try for "Good Seaboat" in all my designs due to the area these ships might have to operate in (Tierra del Fuego is no exactly the friendliest place on Earth for a ship). It has a better range than their predecessors.

Originally I was thinking back to an experiment in the 1970s by the U.S. Navy in mounting a rapid fire 8 inch gun to a destroyer. I just thought, 'what about a single light cruiser gun on a lighter destroyer?' It would be different, and it would be able to damage heavier ships at greater ranges (if it could hit, and with one gun...and no radar...that is iffy). The other option would be to mount two of these guns...one fore one aft like the Defiant-class.

This vessel is designed to take the place of the older destroyers while still remaining small enough to build out of a Type Zero slip. But on the same token, I decided that they had to be better than the older models in firepower. So they are more like a heavy patrol boat....a huge coast guard cutter in the 1920s. Or if I could get the speed up enough, a coastal high speed anti-cruiser boat.

Again the problem with the higher speeds in SS is what is keeping these ships speeds down. I'd like to have them at 33 knots or higher (35 kts) so they can chase down lighter vessels (smugglers and such). Or either outrun heavier ships, or dart in quickly and deliver torpedo and cruiser fire from multiple directions (a flotilla of these things). A broadside of 2 5.9 inch cannon and 5 18 inch torpedoes would be difficult to ignore if you are facing 8 of these things at once.

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A broadside of 2 5.9 inch cannon and 5 18 inch torpedoes would be difficult to ignore if you are facing 8 of these things at once.

As has been said before, being on the wrong end of N² is no fun...

Personally, I like mixed battery arrangements. I once simmed up a Richelieu clone with the 3 x 3 6" replaced by a 240mm quad...

I don't know if the 3 plus knots of speed and the switching of weapons is worth the poor seaboat rating. Its also a few hundred tons heavier just to keep it at such a marginal level.

Capitan Orella (IIb)

Chilean Destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
822 t light; 853 t standard; 900 t normal; 934 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
229.00 ft / 229.00 ft x 28.50 ft x 13.00 ft (normal load)
69.80 m / 69.80 m x 8.69 m x 3.96 m

Armament:
2 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1925 Model
Dual purpose gun in deck mount
on centreline amidships
2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1925 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 222 lbs / 101 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
5 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 31,224 shp / 23,293 Kw = 32.25 kts
Range 1,300nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 85 tons)

Complement:
81 - 106

Cost:
£0.389 million / $1.555 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 28 tons, 3.1 %
Machinery: 477 tons, 52.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 308 tons, 34.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 78 tons, 8.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
196 lbs / 89 Kg = 1.9 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.80

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.371
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.04 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.13 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 76 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 87
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.50 ft / 4.42 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.50 ft / 3.81 m
- Stern: 12.50 ft / 3.81 m
- Average freeboard: 13.97 ft / 4.26 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 194.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72.5 %
Waterplane Area: 3,742 Square feet or 348 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 40 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 163 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 6.23
- Overall: 0.64
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

If your DDs are thought to destroy older pre-WWI DDs of the area I don´t think you need a 150mm gun, any hit from a gun, even a ligth one, is going to make a lot of damage to a ship like these, so why not lots of smaller guns?. And she´s a good seaboat.

DDL, Chilean Destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
826 t light; 850 t standard; 890 t normal; 919 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
232,30 ft / 228,00 ft x 23,00 ft x 14,25 ft (normal load)
70,81 m / 69,49 m x 7,01 m x 4,34 m

Armament:
4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft
2 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm guns in single mounts, 0,06lbs / 0,03kg shells, 1925 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 84 lbs / 38 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 30.062 shp / 22.426 Kw = 32,00 kts
Range 2.900nm at 10,00 kts (Bunkerage = 73 tons)

Complement:
80 - 105

Cost:
£0,349 million / $1,397 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 11 tons, 1,2 %
Machinery: 492 tons, 55,3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 313 tons, 35,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 64 tons, 7,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 1,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
187 lbs / 85 Kg = 13,9 x 3,0 " / 76 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,01
Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,31
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,417
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,91 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15,10 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 75 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24,40 ft / 7,44 m
- Forecastle (35 %): 20,00 ft / 6,10 m (12,00 ft / 3,66 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
- Stern: 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
- Average freeboard: 15,42 ft / 4,70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188,5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 41,9 %
Waterplane Area: 3.092 Square feet or 287 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 44 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 137 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,50
- Longitudinal: 11,75
- Overall: 0,68
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Yeah, size of guns has a huge impact on SS-designs but PSSST - Don´t tell ´em! ;o)

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If your DDs are thought to destroy older pre-WWI DDs of the area I don´t think you need a 150mm gun, any hit from a gun, even a ligth one, is going to make a lot of damage to a ship like these, so why not lots of smaller guns?. And she´s a good seaboat.

Actually the design is meant to take on the light cruisers and protected cruisers of the local area while the rest of the fleet is away in the Pacific someplace. That is why it has cruiser guns and a quintuple torpedo rack. I'm trying to make something a little odd, something like a pocket light cruiser, or an overly armed light destroyer so that many can be made within the means of a third rate navy.

Think of a flotilla of these against a few cruisers and destroyers. Many of these will be hit and destroyed, but with the larger guns, they will be able to engage at a greater range than most destroyers, and if their speed is fast enough, the can manuver and close to a point they can launch that five torpedo spread. I'll test the theory in wargames before construction begins.

Another option was to put the two 4.3 inch guns as a pair (fore or aft) and the single 5.9 opposite it.

or

Mount the two 4.3 inch fore and aft and make the 5.9 centrally mounted, but high so it get a near 360 degree line of fire.

The main goal it to get a force of small destroyers that are not completely useless against modern destroyers and light cruisers. The 3 inch might be too small for use against some cruisers. But there is something to be said for numbers verses size...12 plus shells per minutes verse maybe 4 shells....the law of averages says you will hit more often with more guns that fire faster. But that doesn't help much if those guns won't do any damage, or won't be able to hit because you are out of range.

I don't know. This era is a little strange when you know what happened in our history to ship design.

Is there a difference between StringStyle and StringSharp?

IIs there anything you can do in Stringstyle you can't do in StringSharp? I ask because I'm using StringSharp 2.0.1...it there something that does things any differently?

Think DOS format when using Springstyle. Springsharp is a much more user freindly format. Springsharp 2.0 is a leap above the original vertion because it allows you to elaborate more on the ships appearance and armor distribution.

600 or 800tons is a torpedo boat. Don't forget that 'Destroyer' is short for 'Torpedo Boat Destroyer'.

So if you want something for local defense what about cheap MTB backed by fast gunboats. How many 4" singles can you fit on 1200tons at 33kts if you ignore torpedoes. Singles will have a higher rate of fire than twins. A destroyer is more likely to use guns than torps and you have the MTB for those.

Just a thought.

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Originally posted by Ithekro
Think of a flotilla of these against a few cruisers and destroyers. Many of these will be hit and destroyed, but with the larger guns, they will be able to engage at a greater range than most destroyers...

I disagree with the above. Those hulls are way too small and light to be good gun platforms if weather gets rough (your scenario - otherwise good seaship not necessary). So the above should read:

"Many of these will be hit and destroyed, and with the larger guns, the rest won´t hit anything ..."

Ships of their size are good enough for local and coastal defence (coastal convoys for example) against other ships their size, MTBs and probably a single DD but that´s it. They can also scare submarines for sure, but against surface combatants of DD size and up, especially if those appear in numbers of more than 3 (probably a CL with 2-3 DDs in company like the fast groups the British used in the Med during WW2), they will fight against the odds - even if you have a flotilla at hand.

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