Q1-25?

thesmilingassassin

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Friday, October 22nd 2004, 1:18am

If I recall correctly two players have already posted their Q1/25 reports. Are the rest of us ready?

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Swamphen

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Friday, October 22nd 2004, 1:45am

Actually, it's only one (Italy). But I can make it two at any time...

The Commodore needs to finish up his Q4/24 news... (hint, hint)

Also, Ithekro and the Commodore need to know how the Nordmark-Argentina War turned out. (And Brazil and Chosen/Formosa need to be added to the Encyclopedia section).

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thesmilingassassin

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Friday, October 22nd 2004, 2:29am

On the issue of the Nordish/Argentinian war, I think we may wait a while. Hoo needs some time to sort that issue out with Peng via e-mail. Perhaps CG and Ithekro could plan rather dull quarterly reports to get things going a bit?

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RAM

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Friday, October 22nd 2004, 3:45am

Quoted

Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Perhaps CG and Ithekro could plan rather dull quarterly reports to get things going a bit?

could be a good idea...I'm waiting for Commodore to post his Q4 too

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thesmilingassassin

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 5:43am

Not much feedback on this, I take it we are not ready?

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Ithekro

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 6:12am

Almost

I'm just waiting on response to a possible idea I had. After that I'll have to figure something out.

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The Rock Doctor

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 6:34am

I can post in the next few days. My building programs are straightforward enough - it'll be the news that takes a bit longer.

Not sure that Brazil and Chile necessarily have to be dull, per se. True, we don't know what got sunk in the past five years, but regardless, what they had beforehand is mostly obsolete in 1925. I'd find it quite normal to see either nation building new light cruisers or destroyers to protect their valuable and scarce capital ships from other, more modern, light forces.

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alt_naval

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 1:25pm

I'm still on this bit of 'Turkish Delight' that keeps me from my spreadsheet.

I still have some ships to finalise and what order I want to build them so I may be delayed.

Cheers,

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Swamphen

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 3:46pm

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True, we don't know what got sunk in the past five years

For the N/A War, I'd presume that Argentina had their dreadnoughts sunk, Brazil didn't, and Chile didn't lose anything...

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HoOmAn

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 5:09pm

I don´t understand why there is so much fuzz over Chile and Brazil. Both should be able to start with Q1 under the assumption that they were not involved in that A/N War and thus neither loose nor won a thing. Infrastructure and fleets were discussed and fixed for end of 1924, IIRC, and it should be possible to work from there. All the information necessary is available...

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Ithekro

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 6:34pm

There is one thing missing...

...We don't know what we are reacting too. Sure we didn't participate in the war, but we don't know what the state of the continent is, so therefore we don't know what direction we should go with our fleet developments, and it sort of hinders our abilities to write stories based in our own region. Chile's fleet was built to counter Argentina...so was Brazil's. Now we don't know if our fleets are needed to be in the local area, or if the threat is gone, so we can focus on other things.

Think of it like if you are Turkey or Iran in 1994, and you have no idea what happened in Iraqi since December 1990. Last you heard Desert Shield was in place, but you have no idea what has happened since then. Would you have any idea what to do with your military if you had no idea what happened between your neighbor and United Nations in all this time?

Or how about something closer to you. The Great War starts in 1914. You are Sweden. It is now 1918 and you have no news about what has happened in the war at all. Last piece of new you had was that Admiral Graf Spee was on the lose in the Pacific. You would have needed to build according to what was going on the last 4 years. Did the Kaiser win? Will he come after you next? Did the British win? Will they come after you next? Without information, what do you do?

This is Brazil and Chile's dilemma.

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thesmilingassassin

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 9:35pm

Well we know Argentina lost the war with Nordmark so I think the issue is not as dire (or concrete) as its made out to be. Chiles main oponents now would be Peru and Bolivia as the Argentinians would be reeling from their little war. If we at least know what they lost in the war we could likely proceed there. Brazil is more of a consern to Atlantis, France and the SAE who all have territory's that border Brazil.

As for Turkey and Greece, is there anything we missed that needs to be ironed out?

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HoOmAn

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 11:11pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Ithekro
Chile's fleet was built to counter Argentina...so was Brazil's. Now we don't know if our fleets are needed to be in the local area, or if the threat is gone, so we can focus on other things.

I understand your dilemma but you should be able to start a building plan including some fundamental things. You´re surely doing nothing wrong when building a pair of DDs or two, a tender probably and a small cruiser (just an example of course).

I also like to point out that Brazil and Argentina are rated as friendly to each other in WesWorld. They have the SAE and other powers to focus on. They don´t even share a border, IIRC (no map at hand). So Brazil didn´t loose anything in the A/N War and has nothing to counter that is not defined...

Chile is in a different position, for sure. But as I said, you´re doing nothing wrong by building some multi-purpose units until things are sorted out....

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Ithekro

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 11:26pm

hmmm

Well it won't change my building plan, but I don't think I'll be able to make any real news without additional knowledge.

Naval-wise, Peru's Navy is almost a joke in 1925, and of course Bolivia has no coastline.

That pretty much leaves the Chilean Navy without a purpose. I suppose I'll have to find one in the Pacific somewhere.

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thesmilingassassin

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 11:47pm

Well the Argentinian's aren't completely done, as I said we will have to determine what is in their fleet first.
there is always the prospect of a land war with Peru and Bolivia, something to keep the BB's busy off shore.

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Ithekro

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 11:58pm

Peng's assesment of Argentina and Brazil. (Chile is now posted in more detail elsewhere).

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As noted in a post elsewhere, I have something planned for South America - forwhich reason I felt it prudent that the significant navies of South America be a bit more fleshed out. Given the generally higher number of navies in Wes-World, not to mention the much greater presence of battleship-possessing colonial powers in South America, I felt it was likely that the existing independent nations would have slightly larger navies, but they can't be too much larger, given that they're not part of the treaty. What I had in mind of the major units is listed below; information is taken from Jane's, except for two classes of ships built in Nordmark for Chile. Belt-armour is listed as "Main belt"/"Forward/Aft belt"/"Upper belt", incidentally.

Argentine fleet of early 1921:
Dreadnoughts Rivadavia and Moreno (1910-1915)
577.5ft x 95ft x 28ft, 30600tons standard, 22.5 knots, 11in/5in/8in belt, 12in turrets, 3in deck
12 - 30.5cm/12in 50cal
12 - 15.3cm/6in 50cal
15 - 4in 50cal
4 - 3pdr
6 - MG
2 - 21in TT subm

Pre-deadnought battleships Vientecinco de Mayo and Hercules (ex HMS Britannia and HMS Zealandia, 1902-1905)
439ft x 78ft x 26.75ft, 16350tons normal, 18 knots, 9in/6in/7in belt, 12in turrets, 2in deck
4 - 30.5cm/12in 45cal
4 - 23.5cm/9.2in 45cal
10 - 15.3cm/6in
12 - 12pdr
14 - 3pdr
2 - MG
5 - 18in TT subm

Armoured cruisers Presidente Sarmiento and Santísima Trinidad (1906-1909)
529ft x 75ft x 26ft, 15190tons normal, 24 knots, 6in/4in/3in belt, 8in turrets, 1.5in deck
4 - 25.4cm/10in 50cal
8 - 20.3cm/8in 50cal
20 - 12cm/4.7in 50cal
2 - 3pdr
2 - 1pdr AA
2 - MG
2 - 18in TT subm

Armoured cruisers General Belgrano, Garibaldi, and Pueyrredon (1895-189
328ft x 59.5ft x 23.2ft, 6840tons normal, 20 knots, 6in/3in/6in belt, 6in turrets, 1.5in deck
2 - 25.4cm/10in 50cal
14 - 15.3cm/6in 50cal
4 - 12pdr
4 - 6pdr
4 - 18in TT subm

Armoured cruiser General San Martin (1896-189
328ft x 59.5ft x 23.2ft, 6840tons normal, 20 knots, 6in/3in/6in belt, 6in turrets, 1.5in deck
4 - 20.3cm/8in 50cal
10 - 15.3cm/6in 50cal
6 - 12cm/4.7in 50cal
2 - 12pdr
6 - 6pdr
4 - 18in TT subm

Protected cruiser Buenos Aires (1894-1896)
403.5ft x 47.2ft x 19ft, 4780tons normal, 23 knots, 4.5in turrets, 5in deck
2 - 20.3cm/8in 45cal
4 - 15.3cm/6in 45cal
6 - 12cm/4.7in 45cal
12 - 3pdr
5 - 18in TT

Protected cruiser Nueve de Julio (1891-1893)
529ft x 75ft x 26ft, 15190tons normal, 24 knots, 6in/4in/3in belt, 8in turrets, 1.5in deck
4 - 15.3cm/10in 40cal
8 - 12cm/4.7in 40cal
10 - 3pdr
3 - 18in TT

Protected cruiser Almirante Brown (1879-1881, reconstructed 1907)
529ft x 75ft x 26ft, 15190tons normal, 24 knots, 6in/4in/3in belt, 8in turrets, 1.5in deck
6 - 15.3cm/6in 50cal
4 - 12cm/4.7in 50cal
8 - 3pdr
2 - 18in TT

Coast-defence armoured ships Independencia and Libertad (1889-1891)
240ft x 43ft x 13ft, 2300tons normal, 14 knots, 8in/-/- belt, 8in turrets, 1.5in deck
2 - 24cm/9.45in 35cal
4 - 12cm/4.7in 40cal
6 - 3pdr

Light scout cruisers Comodoro Py, Hipolito Bouchard, Segui, and Espora (1910-1913)
385ft x 41.5ft x 15.5ft, 3440tons normal, 25 knots, 1in deck
8 - 12cm/4.7in 40cal
4 - 3pdr
1 - MG
2 - 21in TT

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Brazilian fleet of early 1921
Dreadnoughts Minas Geraes and Sao Paulo (1907-1910)
530ft x 83ft x 25ft, 21200tons normal, 21 knots, 9in/6in/7in belt, 12in turrets, 2in deck
12 - 30.5cm/12in 45cal
22 - 12cm/4.7in
8 - 3pdr
4 - MG

Pre-dreadnought battleships Riachuelo and Aquidabã (ex HMS Queen and HMS Prince of Wales, 1901-1904)
411ft x 75ft x 29ft, 15000tons normal, 18 knots, 9in/6in/7in belt, 12in turrets, 2in deck
4 - 30.5cm/12in 45cal
12 - 15.3cm/6in 45cal
16 - 12pdr
6 - 3pdr
2 - MG
4 - 18in TT subm

Coast defence armourclads Deodoro and Floriano (1897-1900)
267.5ft x 48ft x 13.25ft, 3162tons normal, 15 knots, 13.75in/4in/- belt, 8in turrets, 1.5in deck
2 - 24cm/9.45in 45cal
4 - 12cm/4.7in 50cal
4 - 6pdr
2 - MG

Protected cruiser Barroso (1895-1897)
330ft x 43.75ft x 16.8ft, 3450tons normal, 20 knots, 3in deck
6 - 15.3cm/6in 50cal
4 - 12cm/4.7in 50cal
10 - 6pdr
4 - 1pdr
4 - MG

Light scout cruisers Bahia and Rio Grande do Sul (1908-1910)
401.5ft x 39ft x 13.5ft, 3000tons normal, 25 knots, 1.5in deck
10 - 12cm/4.7in 50cal
6- 3pdr
2 - 18in TT subm

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Commodore Green

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Sunday, October 24th 2004, 11:59pm

Sorry if I'm holding people up, but it has been an "interesting time" as the chinese would say, in my world lately.

Some news tonight, some more tomorrow.....promise!