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MN France and MN Republique, French Battleships laid down 1924

Displacement:
36,256 t light; 39,245 t standard; 43,206 t normal; 46,375 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
776.45 ft / 771.00 ft x 109.25 ft x 31.50 ft (normal load)
236.66 m / 235.00 m x 33.30 m x 9.60 m

Armament:
12 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (4x3), 2,039.28lbs / 925.00kg shells, 1924 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (6x2), 61.73lbs / 28.00kg shells, 1924 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread
40 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (10x4), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1924 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 25,290 lbs / 11,471 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 455.05 ft / 138.70 m 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 455.05 ft / 138.70 m 26.25 ft / 8.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.7" / 400 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.51" / 140 mm, Conning tower: 15.75" / 400 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 103,863 shp / 77,481 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 7,131 tons)

Other facilities:
MN France - Fleet command bridge

MN Republique - 4 Seaplanes, 2 Catapults

Complement:
1,497 - 1,947

Cost:
£12.205 million / $48.821 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,620 tons, 6.1 %
Armour: 13,784 tons, 31.9 %
- Belts: 3,547 tons, 8.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 696 tons, 1.6 %
- Armament: 3,015 tons, 7.0 %
- Armour Deck: 6,108 tons, 14.1 %
- Conning Tower: 418 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 3,421 tons, 7.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,331 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,950 tons, 16.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
40,983 lbs / 18,590 Kg = 24.3 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 5.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.570
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.77 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.34 ft / 6.20 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.34 ft / 6.20 m
- Mid (45 %): 20.34 ft / 6.20 m (13.78 ft / 4.20 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.81 ft / 3.60 m (13.78 ft / 4.20 m before break)
- Stern: 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Average freeboard: 16.44 ft / 5.01 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.3 %
Waterplane Area: 59,899 Square feet or 5,565 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 210 lbs/sq ft or 1,023 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.01
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Isn't MN Africa a bit ambiguous?

How about MN Republique?

Nice one. I didn't think of that. Thanks.

40x 40mm?

Nice to know she can carry those but in 1924?

Impressive design, a brawler for sure. IIRC the G-3's currently mount 24 40mm, if you look at the armament of MN France, she lacks a heavy hitting medium caliber like a 5.5" or 6" mount. Just because they are 40mm doesn't mean they will be as effective as the WW2 American bofors. The ships also lack a light AAA armament.
Forty guns may be abit much, I wonder if India's carrier strike influenced that number?

Like 'em!

But I assume there'll be no Richelieus in WesWorld?

Re: AA - that's the same number of 40mm that I intend to have on my 1941 Flak-cruisers, except they're Type 2-sized... I have no problem with 'em, but agree they should have a light battery (15/17/20/25mm - somewhere in there), and maybe some MGs as well (7.62mm?) - after all, SS 2.0.1 allows five gun batteries...

Don't give up hope, Swampy. MN France and MN Republique use up a lot of France's BB tonnage. The replacements for the Provence class will be smaller, but it looks like the Med needs a heavyweight contender...

I suppose if I cut back on the 300mm barbette armor below the deck, I might get more/bigger secondaries and some light AA. I'll give that a try.

I find the range quite interesting. How about naming one 'Indochine'? ;-)

Okay, I've figured out what I've been doing wrong. I've thought that the above freeboard guns and the below freeboard guns had to add up to the number of guns of that calibre. As you all know, 'tain't so.

I was greatly confused, but no longer. I'll be redoing all my SS-2 designs now.

So here's MN France with that little screwup corrected:

MN France and MN Republique, French Battleships laid down 1924

Displacement:
36,075 t light; 39,088 t standard; 43,206 t normal; 46,500 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
776.62 ft / 771.00 ft x 109.25 ft x 31.50 ft (normal load)
236.71 m / 235.00 m x 33.30 m x 9.60 m

Armament:
12 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,039.28lbs / 925.00kg shells, 1924 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (8x2 guns), 61.73lbs / 28.00kg shells, 1924 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
40 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (10x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1924 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 25,537 lbs / 11,583 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 455.05 ft / 138.70 m 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 455.05 ft / 138.70 m 26.25 ft / 8.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.7" / 400 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.51" / 140 mm, Conning tower: 15.75" / 400 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 103,863 shp / 77,481 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 12,500nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 7,412 tons)

Other facilities:
MN France - Fleet command bridge

MN Republique - 4 Seaplanes, 2 Catapults

Complement:
Other facilities:
MN France - Fleet command bridge

MN Republique - 4 Seaplanes, 2 Catapults

Complement:

1,497 - 1,947

Cost:
£12.254 million / $49.017 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,646 tons, 6.1 %
Armour: 12,780 tons, 29.6 %
- Belts: 3,547 tons, 8.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 696 tons, 1.6 %
- Armament: 2,011 tons, 4.7 %
- Armour Deck: 6,108 tons, 14.1 %
- Conning Tower: 418 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 3,421 tons, 7.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,127 tons, 39.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,131 tons, 16.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
40,346 lbs / 18,301 Kg = 23.9 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 6.5 ft / 2.0 m
Roll period: 18.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.570
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.77 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Mid (45 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m (13.78 ft / 4.20 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.81 ft / 3.60 m (13.78 ft / 4.20 m before break)
- Stern: 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Average freeboard: 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.2 %
Waterplane Area: 59,899 Square feet or 5,565 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 219 lbs/sq ft or 1,070 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.05
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Btw, why is France allowed to lay down those two units? Is France building up to treaty limits or are those two units replacements? If so, for which units?

Thanks,

HoOmAn

The first MN France, as historical, hit an uncharted rock and sank. France already was alowed to lay down a BB, so with the sinking of France they can now lay down 2 new BB's.

What was I thinking??

I dropped the speed a quarter knot, fiddled a bit with the hull, and reduced the magazine to 100 shells/gun

MN France, French Battleships laid down 1924

Displacement:
36,679 t light; 38,956 t standard; 43,018 t normal; 46,269 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
773.25 ft / 767.72 ft x 108.92 ft x 32.15 ft (normal load)
235.69 m / 234.00 m x 33.20 m x 9.80 m

Armament:
12 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,039.28lbs / 925.00kg shells, 1924 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (6x2 guns), 61.73lbs / 28.00kg shells, 1924 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
40 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (10x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1924 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 25,290 lbs / 11,471 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 438.16 ft / 133.55 m 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.18" / 30 mm 438.16 ft / 133.55 m 26.25 ft / 8.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.7" / 400 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.51" / 140 mm, Conning tower: 15.75" / 400 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 99,572 shp / 74,281 Kw = 26.75 kts
Range 12,400nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 7,313 tons)

Other facilities:
MN France: Fleet Command Brigde

Mn Republique: 4 Seaplanes, 2 Catapults

Complement:
1,493 - 1,941

Cost:
£12.190 million / $48.760 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,620 tons, 6.1 %
Armour: 13,225 tons, 30.7 %
- Belts: 3,258 tons, 7.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 503 tons, 1.2 %
- Armament: 3,040 tons, 7.1 %
- Armour Deck: 6,007 tons, 14.0 %
- Conning Tower: 417 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 3,280 tons, 7.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,454 tons, 40.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,339 tons, 14.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
41,684 lbs / 18,907 Kg = 24.7 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 5.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 18.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.81
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.560
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.05 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.71 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Forecastle (21 %): 20.67 ft / 6.30 m (17.72 ft / 5.40 m aft of break)
- Mid (80 %): 17.72 ft / 5.40 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Stern: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.43 ft / 5.31 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.2 %
Waterplane Area: 58,909 Square feet or 5,473 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 224 lbs/sq ft or 1,094 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.11
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform