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Thursday, May 12th 2016, 10:25pm

Project 83 MPK

For awhile now, I've been looking at starting to find replacements for the Russian Navy's Lilya, Roza, Myak, and Orchidia class corvettes. In terms of specifications, these vessels seem to follow the "torpedo boat" role, backed by a formidable gun armament (for their size, at least). Russia built a lot of this type of ship back in the early days of the sim, with the four classes accounting for ninety-five hulls between them.

I've already done a bit of replacement planning by building a bunch of Project 73 Obsidian storozhevoy korabl' - guardships, vessels broadly similar to the ASW frigates / destroyer escort / light destroyers being built elsewhere. But the Project 73 guardships are not cheap, either, and I'm wondering if a smaller guardship (patrul'ny storozhevoy korabl') or small antisubmarine ship (maly protovolodochny korabl') would be a good type to build at the same time.

In the perfect world, I'd like to outfit them with gas turbines, get them up to maybe thirty-five knots overall speed, and drop at least one of the guns in exchange for four box-mounted P-15 Termit launchers, all of which would make these ships perfect successors in every single way to the vessels they're replacing. Unfortunately, I can't have such nice toys just yet.

However, since submarines are getting faster (even when submerged), I did put a nice bit of speed on these vessels in order to make sure they continue to have a maneuverability edge over their intended prey.

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Project 83, Russian Small Antisubmarine Ship laid down 1947

Displacement:
600 t light; 626 t standard; 780 t normal; 903 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
234.32 ft / 229.66 ft x 27.56 ft x 10.01 ft (normal load)
71.42 m / 70.00 m x 8.40 m x 3.05 m

Armament:
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 1947 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1947 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1947 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 37 lbs / 17 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 450

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -

- Conning tower: 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 9,319 shp / 6,952 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 4,250nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 277 tons

Complement:
73 - 95

Cost:
£0.416 million / $1.662 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5 tons, 0.6 %
Armour: 4 tons, 0.5 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 230 tons, 29.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 211 tons, 27.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 180 tons, 23.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 19.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
473 lbs / 215 Kg = 36.7 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 12.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.431
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 17.39 ft / 5.30 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.42 ft / 4.70 m (8.20 ft / 2.50 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.37 ft / 2.55 m
- Stern: 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
- Average freeboard: 12.34 ft / 3.76 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.5 %
Waterplane Area: 4,130 Square feet or 384 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 126 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.53
- Longitudinal: 3.02
- Overall: 0.63
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Thursday, May 12th 2016, 11:13pm

An interesting design. I did something similar for the KM's Seepferd class coastal escorts, though smaller and slightly slower. I chose to keep their tonnage under 499 tons light in order to have a design capable of mass production in wartime. I presume that your design will have some sort of stand-off weapon.

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Friday, May 13th 2016, 9:38am

The Pr.83 looks a good design. I think 600 tons might be better than 499, just because that entails a lot of squeezing for not that much gain in building time saved.
I'm thinking like Bruce, a ahead-throw weapon in B position would fit nicely with some DCs aft.

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Friday, May 13th 2016, 5:26pm

I must admit, I'm rarely all that concerned with build times particularly for lighter warships, particularly as the build times are something of an arbitrary and out-of-character rationale. After all, my Russian shipwrights aren't sitting at their drafting tables saying "Ooh, comrade, if only we trimmed off another ten tons, we could cut five months off the build time!" ;)

As for ASW fit, I planned to use the 9K42-M6 "Groza" launcher, which, at least on the newer Russian destroyers, is generally mounted in a slight recess in the deck, forward of the main battery. Destroyers usually carry two of the quad launchers, but Project 83 probably only has room for one quad (with more reloads carried as compensation).

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Friday, May 13th 2016, 6:01pm

Well, I think it is more a matter of looking how long a dock/slip is occupied rather than the actual build times of the vessel. If you go for the smaller design you can kick almost twice the number of ships out of your yards than the bigger design which might be something to think about since you are looking to replace almost 100 vessels from those four older classes of corvettes.

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Friday, May 13th 2016, 7:47pm

Well, I think it is more a matter of looking how long a dock/slip is occupied rather than the actual build times of the vessel. If you go for the smaller design you can kick almost twice the number of ships out of your yards than the bigger design which might be something to think about since you are looking to replace almost 100 vessels from those four older classes of corvettes.

Well, it was never my intention to build one-for-one replacements. As I outlined above, I built thirty-six Project 73 Obsidian guardships, partly as replacements for these corvettes and partly as replacements for old destroyers. To cover raw numbers, I've been building Project 61 Gostinitsa class patrol boats (far less capable, but much, much cheaper). This is more a middle-of-the-road response.

Slip capacity is not a problem for Russia at the present time, so it never factors into my thinking. I run out of tonnage to spend before I run out of slips...

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Saturday, May 14th 2016, 10:31pm

Same thing usually happens in Atlantis, empty slips and no tonnage left....