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There are other ships that entered the discussion with 14"-16" guns and 13"+ armour, so why should Alaska not be discussed? It's clearly relevant.

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was there a reason that the Philippine Visayas class armored cruisers were passed over? They seem to fall in the tonnage, speed and armament parameters set forth?

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Hardly so. Walter talked about ships in the 15kts to 25kts range (and a speed of minimum 28kn) and drew the line there.

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Btw, of those classes Walter listed, which one has 14" or heavier guns combined with 13+" armor and a speed of 28kn minimum? Haven't checked them all in detail but I would be surprised if that's possible in the given tonnage range. Speaking from my own arsenal it requires 33ooots RSAN Cameroon to achieve that. 30ooots RSAN Victory fails because of her 13" guns...

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Ah. I looked and did not see her, and did a search for her under the class name, Visayas. You and spelled the entry slightly differently, so the search overlooked it. My apologies.

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Also numerous ships Hooman had listed have CT-sized main guns (210mm or smaller) so should they be considered super cruisers or just bigger heavy cruisers? I just added them to the list.

Frankly, I see most of these ships as, shall we say, 'unlimited' heavy cruisers, rather than super-cruisers or armoured cruisers. For myself, I'd say a "super-cruiser" is something with 11"-12" guns and over 20,000 tons normal displacement. Namely, it's a capital ship masquerading as a cruiser. Khranitel and to a lesser extent Radiance are two decent examples of what I'm talking about. My alternative Marseillaise design, 23k tons with 8x274mm guns, would also count as a super-cruiser. But I wouldn't call my Temeraire or Marseillaise "super-cruisers" by any definition: they're just heavy cruisers designed without treaty restrictions.

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Or.... I make a mistake when I read the list the way that the higher a design ranks the higher its chances are to dominate a vessel further down.

Not necessarily. Tyr is ranked 24th, but it could probably dominate a lot of the higher ranking vessels merely by its presence (i.e the Kongo may be ranked 9th but it would most likely turn around when spotting the Tyr).

Right. A ranking system is fun for purposes of discussion, but there are just too many variables and circumstances involved for the rankings to actually mean much when it comes down to the firing line.

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Ah. I looked and did not see her, and did a search for her under the class name, Visayas. You and spelled the entry slightly differently, so the search overlooked it. My apologies.

... so is it Visayas or Visayan? The sim in the encyclopedia says "Visayan" (which is why I used the name) but the list of ships below it says "Visayas"...

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My bad. The proper name is Visayas; an old typo that failed to be corrected. My apologies.

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If one wants to decide which would fare best one on one, it is also worth discussing how they would fare against ships specifically designed to blow them out of the water.

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It might also be worth looking at how these ships would fare against ships they are designed to be better than, such as the Cleito era 8in cruisers and the 6in cruisers. One on One my money is on the bigger cruiser 7 times out of 10, but a one on one fight is quite rare in naval warfare.

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Well I think you deserve congratulations for crunching all these figures.

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It's hard to equate them to actual rankings on a given day, but its an interesting qualitative exercise.

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Myself, I'm quite chuffed that everyone thought nobody would buy Presidente Aguinaldo and I picked it up for a fair price.