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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 4:10pm

Bulgarian Ships for 1946

TL-01, Bulgarian Patrol Ship laid down 1946

Displacement:
250 t light; 262 t standard; 325 t normal; 375 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
180.45 ft / 180.45 ft x 19.69 ft x 7.71 ft (normal load)
55.00 m / 55.00 m x 6.00 m x 2.35 m

Armament:
1 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1946 Model
Dual purpose gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
2 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1946 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1946 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 350

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

- Conning tower: 1.18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 2,415 shp / 1,802 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 4,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 113 tons

Complement:
37 - 49

Cost:
£0.141 million / $0.564 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 1.0 %
Armour: 3 tons, 1.0 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 60 tons, 18.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 138 tons, 42.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 75 tons, 23.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 45 tons, 13.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
558 lbs / 253 Kg = 26.9 x 3.5 " / 88 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 11.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.73

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.415
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.17 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 13.43 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 14.07 ft / 4.29 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 8.96 ft / 2.73 m
- Mid (50 %): 8.96 ft / 2.73 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.96 ft / 2.73 m
- Stern: 8.96 ft / 2.73 m
- Average freeboard: 9.37 ft / 2.85 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.8 %
Waterplane Area: 2,207 Square feet or 205 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 167 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.84
- Longitudinal: 4.94
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
- 15 tons for electronics systems (radar, sonar)
- 25 tons for ASW gear
- 5 tons for minesweeping paravane

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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 4:13pm

It is a bigger ship than anything I've produced in Bulgaria for awhile! Weee!

I know the armor belt doesn't fully cover the magazines and the engineering spaces, but I'm basically regarding it in much the same light as the way the Dutch use really thick semi-armour plating as an integrated part of the hull, rather than an armour scheme in the traditional sense.

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Varna-class, Bulgarian Flotilla Cruiser laid down 1946

Displacement:
4,134 t light; 4,499 t standard; 5,202 t normal; 5,764 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
475.72 ft / 475.72 ft x 47.57 ft x 15.42 ft (normal load)
145.00 m / 145.00 m x 14.50 m x 4.70 m

Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1946 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1946 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.37lbs / 0.17kg shells, 1946 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 694 lbs / 315 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 650
12 - 25.6" / 650 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 262.47 ft / 80.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 0.79" / 20 mm 147.64 ft / 45.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
65.62 ft / 20.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.38" / 35 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm
3rd: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

- Conning tower: 1.38" / 35 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 69,064 shp / 51,522 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 6,500nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,265 tons

Complement:
306 - 398

Cost:
£3.262 million / $13.049 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 88 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 259 tons, 5.0 %
- Belts: 216 tons, 4.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 34 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 1,725 tons, 33.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,711 tons, 32.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,068 tons, 20.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 6.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3,143 lbs / 1,425 Kg = 46.9 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 14.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.522
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 23.79 ft / 7.25 m
- Mid (60 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m (13.94 ft / 4.25 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Stern: 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Average freeboard: 19.82 ft / 6.04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 132.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87.0 %
Waterplane Area: 16,005 Square feet or 1,487 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 293 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.68
- Longitudinal: 1.81
- Overall: 0.75
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
Not yet determined.

Ships in Class:
- Varna
- Plovdiv
- Stara Zagora
- Burgas

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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 5:25pm

The hull strain on the Varna concerns me, as does the lack of deck armor...

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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 6:06pm

The hull strength (or lack thereof) worries me as well. There are a few other things as well.

I note that the specified bow angle on the design is set at zero; I suspect that could be an oversight, which could have cascade effects on other aspects of the design.

If incorporation of automatic rapid fire guns is considered necessary, I would recommend that their number be reduced to six as a weight-saving measure.

A breakdown of the miscellaneous weight isn't provided, but it is more than the weight of the armor and nearly as much as the weight of the armament and armor together. 350 tons of miscellaneous weight seems to be a lot for such a small vessel.

There is a massive price tag to that high speed - one third of the ship's mass is devoted to the powerplant - more mass than the entire hull and fittings; a knot less would make considerable difference in the design.

Overall it seems that far too much is being crammed into a very small ship; and the performance of the design is suffering.

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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 6:10pm

4500 tons is the upper limit for a hull strength of 0.75 so according to the rules it should be okay. I do agree with speed and the expensiveness to get that speed.

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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 6:22pm

4500 tons is the upper limit for a hull strength of 0.75 so according to the rules it should be okay. I do agree with speed and the expensiveness to get that speed.


There's no fault, per se, in the design; I just have concerns - and I suspect that if the bow angle were changed to something beyond 1914-vintage - some of the concerns might disappear.

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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 10:06pm

There's no fault, per se, in the design; I just have concerns - and I suspect that if the bow angle were changed to something beyond 1914-vintage - some of the concerns might disappear.

Bow angle doesn't change anything in the design - with SS2, it's just a cosmetic thing. And yes, that 0-deg angle was an oversight that I need to fix. I did notice one other thing I want to tweak about the sim, too.

I might try turning some of the miscellaneous weight into deck armour, but I don't really see much need for it. This design, like the Yugoslavian flotilla cruisers I'm cribbing from, is all about the speed and the firepower. Frankly, I considered removing the armour entirely, since it's not really enough to do any good.

As to the comments about hull strength, why is there such concern about it being "low"?

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Thursday, May 21st 2015, 10:59pm

There's no fault, per se, in the design; I just have concerns - and I suspect that if the bow angle were changed to something beyond 1914-vintage - some of the concerns might disappear.

Bow angle doesn't change anything in the design - with SS2, it's just a cosmetic thing. And yes, that 0-deg angle was an oversight that I need to fix. I did notice one other thing I want to tweak about the sim, too.

I might try turning some of the miscellaneous weight into deck armour, but I don't really see much need for it. This design, like the Yugoslavian flotilla cruisers I'm cribbing from, is all about the speed and the firepower. Frankly, I considered removing the armour entirely, since it's not really enough to do any good.

As to the comments about hull strength, why is there such concern about it being "low"?


For me, at least, the hull strength issue is a personal preference thing; as is the speed issue. Comparing the Varna with the Bosna and her sister, the latter mass a bit more and are knot slower, with slightly less armament. But their belt armor covers the magazines and they have some deck protection. For me, a ship of 4,000 tons ought to be better protected than a destroyer.

There is nothing wrong with the Varna in a technical sense; it's the choices one makes in designs.

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Friday, May 22nd 2015, 12:01pm


There is nothing wrong with the Varna in a technical sense; it's the choices one makes in designs.
Exactly. If you want a fast, cheap ship you're going to have to make sacrifices elsewhere...

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Saturday, May 23rd 2015, 11:30am

It looks a bit cramped to me, 4x2 130mm, 4x2 57mm, 8x2 23mm and 4x3 25.6in torpedoes seems a lot of armament topside.
The range seems quite large as well for a Black Sea unit, unless your planning long-range operations into the Med.

I agree its big and expensive, but if you've got the cash to blow then I see no problem with that. It just seems less than optimal (but then who says the Bulgarians as a third-tier nation are likely to design a 100% perfect ship?).