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I'm slowly working through Kirk's plans for aircraft. He stopped posting detailed specs from around 1937 and so much else is open to speculation and many of his numerous planebuilder files will probably never appear here.

So I'm going through the progression plans he made and tweaking things slightly here and there I propose the following mix of new/ revised types, many of which are retrospective to fill the massive gap since 1937.

Fighters

Fokker D.XXIIIE
[Kirk's fabled push-pull layout fighter based on the real-world design but with more power, appeared just before he stopped posting detailed specs. His D.XXIIIE was fabled to beat even the Do-335. I don't trust planebuilder and so here is my version based off his original baseline specs, suitably tweaked for the extra 400hp]
An experimental variant, the D.XXIIIE was flown during late 1938 with two 1,500hp Paladin II V-12 engines and entered service as a production fighter during 1940.
Length: 10.66 m (35 ft 0 in)
Span: 11.88 m (39 ft 0 in)
Wing Area: 303 ft2
Wingloading: 37.9 lb/ft2
Empty Weight: 4139 kg (9,125 lb)
Maximum Weight: 5726 kg (12,625 lb)
Engine: 2x 1,530hp Minerva Paladin II V-12 liquid-cooled engines
Maximum Speed: 735 km/h (457mph) at 6069 m (20,000 ft)
Service ceiling: 11880 m (39,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 17.7 m/sec (3,500 ft/min)
Range: 1320 km (820 miles)
Armament: 1x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon, 4x 13.2mm GAST MGs
Armour: 8mm cockpit bulkhead and self-sealing tanks

Koolhoven F.K.55
[Kirk was to base this off the OTL FK.55 and was to develop that into a P-63 type fighter as the F.K.59 but no specs were ever posted. I've based the specs on the real FK.55 with some scaling from the P-63. Note I've lowered the wing, so this conforms to Kirk's plans]
Developed from 1936 this novel single-seat interceptor has a supercharged engine within the fuselage behind the cockpit, leaving the nose free for armament. A tricycle undercarriage was fitted with the main landing gear retracing into the fuselage. The engine drives a contra-rotating propeller via an extension shaft. The first prototype flew in 1936 but was underpowered with its original Hispano-Suiza engine. Two subsequent prototypes had Hispano-Suiza 12Y engines but performance and handling problems resulted in major changes which saw both being rebuilt during 1939. In 1940 they emerged with a new centre fuselage section and the wings were moved to a lower fuselage position with a new undercarriage which retracted into the wings. They were powered by early 1,150hp Minerva Paladin V-12 engines with new superchargers and Rotol contra-rotating propellers from Britain. In 1941 a pre-production batch of ten were built and entry into service began in 1942.
Length: 9.25 m (30 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 9.60 m (31 ft 6 in)
Height: 2.60 m (8 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 16.00 m2 (172.23 ft2)
Empty weight: 2960 kg (6,527 lb)
Maximum take-off weight: 4760 kg (10,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1× 1,300hp Minerva Paladin I V-12 liquid-cooled engine
Maximum speed: 660 km/h (410 mph)
Cruising speed: 610 km/h (379 mph)
Range: 850 km (528 miles)
Rate of climb: 18.1 m/s (3,580 ft/min)
Armament: 2x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon mounted in the upper nose and 4x wing-mounted 13.2mm GAST MGs

Fokker D.XXV
[Rather than buy the Renard R.38 as planned for the Dutch air force, I've simply inserted the Fokker-Avia B.144 single-seat general purpose fighter Kirk designed for Avia and have that built as the Fokker D.XXV. Specs are the same as the B.144 and can be found in the NPC Aircraft thread.]

Fokker G-1B
[No specs for Kirk's Bristol Hercules-powered version of the G-1A ever appeared, so here they are]
A variant of the G-1A series fitted with two licence-built 1,615hp Minerva Hercules IV radial engines for use overseas. The prototype first flew on 28 June 1938 and entry into service was during 1940.
Wing Span: 16.45 m (54 ft 0 in)
Length: 10.9 m (36 ft 0 in)
Wing Area: 384 ft2
Maximum Weight: 6120 kg (13,500 lb)
Wingloading: 36 lbs/ft2
Powerplant: 2x 1,615hp Minerva Hercules IV radial engines
Max speed: 640 km/h (398 mph)
Service Ceiling: 11230 m (36,850 ft)
Rate of climb: 13.7 m/sec (2,710 ft/min)
Range: 1400 km (870 miles)
Armament: 2x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon and 4 x 7.92mm FN-Browning MGs forward, 1 twin GAST 7.92mm MG in powered rear conical turret, internal 440kg bomb load

Fokker G-2
[Kirk's planned photo-recon XF-15 type G-1 development as the G-2 is somewhat toned down here]
This is a specialised variant of the G-1A2 for reconnaissance roles. The nose armament is replaced by a glazed nose for an observer and the internal bomb bay is fitted with two vertical and two oblique cameras. Photoflash bombs can be carried in a separate ventral compartment. Extra wing tanks are fitted to extend range. The first prototype flew in May 1937 and after a series of lengthy trials with three pre-production aircraft trying different camera arrangements, the type was introduced into service during 1939.The pre-production and all production aircraft are fitted with Minerva Paladin I V-12 engines in new nacelles. Three crew are carried.
Wing Span: 16.45 m (54 ft 0 in)
Length: 12.1 m (40 ft 0 in)
Wing Area: 384 ft2
Maximum Weight: 6760 kg (14,900 lb)
Wingloading: 38.8lb/ft2
Powerplant: 2x 1,300hp Minerva Paladin I V-12 liquid-cooled engines
Max speed: 634 km/h (394 mph)
Service Ceiling: 12345 m (40,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 13.6 m/sec (2,690 ft/min)
Range: 1690km (1,050 miles)
Armament: 1x 13.2mm GAST MG in nose, 2x 13.2mm GAST MGs in rear powered turret

Fokker G-2C
[Kirk's planned Pe-2-like G-1 ground attack variant is also somewhat toned down here. I've made it a good strafer though!]
This ground-attack variant is a standard G-2 airframe powered by licence-built Minverva Hercules radial engines with a solid nose armed with four 13.2mm machine-guns and the ventral bay can either accommodate small bombs or the four 23mm cannon pack from the G-3 night-fighter. A private-venture prototype was flown on 4 September 1939 and during 1940 a small number of production aircraft were produced.
Wing Span: 16.45 m (54 ft 0 in)
Length: 12.1 m (40 ft 0 in)
Wing Area: 384 ft2
Maximum Weight: 6395 kg (14,100 lb)
Wingloading: 38.8lb/ft2
Powerplant: 2x 1,615hp Minerva Hercules IV radial engines
Max speed: 640 km/h (398 mph)
Service Ceiling: 11230 m (36,850 ft)
Rate of climb: 13.7 m/sec (2,710 ft/min)
Range: 1670 km (1,040 miles)
Armament: 4x 13.2mm GAST MGs in nose, 2x 13.2mm GAST MGs in rear powered turret, 440kg of bombs in internal bay or a ventral pack with 4x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon

Fokker G-3
[Kirk's planned P-61-like NF is slightly less so here, think of this as a He-219 meets G-1 meets P-61 but with two-seats. Radar specs are filled in yet but expect both sets to be equal to foreign developlemts]
Alongside the G-2, Fokker was working on a Night-fighter variant to meet a requirement from the Air Force. The second G-2 prototype was modified during 1940 and began trials later that year. Both the pilot and observer sit in tandem, the glazed tail area and armament is removed and the glazed nose of the G-2 was replaced with a solid nose containing a Phillips director set with antenna and two 13.2mm GAST MGs. Four 23mm FN-Madsen cannon are fitted in a ventral pack. New wings of greater span and area were fitted and a new tricycle undercarriage was also fitted. Production began in 1941 and entry into service was during early 1943. The G-3A introduced in early 1944 lacked the nose machine-guns and the Phillips director set was updated with a centrimetric set with a hemispherical randome covering the nose antenna.
Wing Span: 20.12 m (66 ft 0 in)
Length: 12.1 m (40 ft 0 in)
Wing Area: 664 ft2
Maximum Weight: 19,730 lbs
Wingloading: 29.7 lb/ft2
Powerplant: 2x 1,530hp Minerva Paladin II V-12 liquid-cooled engines
Max speed: 627 km/h (390 mph)
Service Ceiling: 12340 m (40,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 16.3 m/sec (3,220 ft/min)
Range: 2896 km (1,800 miles)
Armament: 2x 13.2mm GAST MG in nose, 4x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in ventral pack

Koolhoven F.K. 60
[I've always liked the F.K.58 and here is my own improved version specially for Kongo since the F.K.58s are getting on for 10 years old and with tropical conditions most have probably rotted away be now!]
An improved version of the F.K.58, designed for Kongo and powered by a licence-built Bristol Hercules radial engine. Provision for two 250 litre drop tanks was added to extend range and improved blind-flying instruments were fitted along with a more rugged undercarriage. A prototype flew during 1941 and production began in 1943.
Wingspan: 10.97 m (36 ft 0 in)
Length: 9.93 m (32 ft 6in)
Wing area: 182 sq ft
Wingloading: 43.9 lb/ft2
Powerplant: 1,615hp Minerva Hercules IV
Empty Weight: 2561 kg (5,647 lb)
Max take-off weight: 3850 kg (8,487 lb)
Max speed: 595 km/h (370 mph)
Ceiling: 11340 m (37,200 ft)
Rate of Climb: 14.5 m/sec (2,858 ft/min)
Range: 814 km (506 miles) or 1585 km (985 miles) with external fuel
Armament: 2x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon, 4x 13.22mm GAST MGs, 200kg of bombs underwing
Armour: 10mm bulkhead behind cockpit


Medium Bombers

Koolhoven F.K. 61
[Kirk loved fast bombers and he had in mind in his progression plans a DH Hornet-style bomber which seemed a bit puny. So I've taken the never-built DH.101 Super-Mosquito and used that instead. It's likely this might become the basis of the first Dutch jet-powered bomber]
Since 1935 Koolhoven designed a series of light bombers that never made to production. The Air Force studied the lessons of the South American War very closely and saw the need for a fast bomber. Fokker had offered a novel tri-motor design based on work it was doing with Fokker, but Koolhoven won a contract to produce a bomber modelled on the British de Havilland Mosquito as a fast defenceless bomber. The prototype flew on 29 July 1943 and the first bombers arrived in service in early 1945. The bomber has a crew of three in a pressurised cockpit and is powered by licence-built Napier Sabre engines.
Wingspan: 21.34 m (80 ft 0 in)
Length: 15.09 m (49 ft 6 in)
Height: 5.70 m (18 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 66.03 m2 (710 ft2)
Gross weight: 15264 kg (33,650 lb)
Max take-off weight: 17250 kg (38,030 lb)
Powerplant: 2x 2,340hp Napier/Minerva Sabre V 24-cylinder liquid-cooled engines
Maximum speed: 650 km/h (404 mph) at 7620 m (25,000 ft)
Service ceiling: 8839 m (29,000 ft)
Range: 2335 km (1,450 miles) internal fuel with 2725 kg (6,000 lb) load
Armament: 2000kg (4,409 lb) of bombs in an internal bomb bay and 1000 kg (2,204 lb) externally

Fokker T.X
[Kirk mentioned to me some time ago that he wanted Atlantic Aircraft to build a B-26 rather than the B-25 but could never figure out how to make that work out. Well, I've given Fokker the job here to meet Kirk's old wish]
This began as an improved T.IXB with better aerodynamics but further changes adding a tricycle undercarriage, remote-controlled dorsal and ventral turrets, the addition of a tail turret meant this became essentially a new design. The first prototype first flew on 29 August 1944 and was followed by four others. Following lengthy trials the type finally entered production in early 1946. Six crewmen are carried and the aircraft is equipped with a Signaal ground-mapping RDF bombing set.
Wingspan: 24.70 m (81 ft 0 in)
Length: 18.50 m (60 ft 7 in)
Height: 5.70 m (18 ft 7 in)
Empty weight: 12383 kg (27,300 lb)
Max take-off weight: 17250 kg (38,030 lb)
Powerplant: 2x 2,375hp Minerva Condor II 24-cylinder radial engines
Maximum speed: 460 km/h (286 mph)
Service ceiling: 9210 m (30,215 ft)
Range: 2800 km (1,740 miles)
Armament: twin 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in dorsal and ventral remotely-operated turrets, twin 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in tail turret, bomb load up to 2000kg (4,409 lb) in an internal bomb bay

Fokker T.XM
[My own idea, more land-based patrol types are needed so here is a modern one]
This is the maritime patrol variant of the T.X bomber. Changes from the land-based bomber include wingtip tanks, a powerful searchlight in a pod under the port wing, removal of the ventral turret and the remote-control turret system, addition of side observation windows and Boulton Paul N nose turret designed for strafing as well as a larger galley and rest facilities. Torpedoes and depth-cahrges can be carried under the wings. The prototype flew on 19 March 1945 and the type entered service in early 1946. 8 crewmen are carried.
Wingspan: 24.70 m (81 ft 0 in)
Length: 17.80 m (58 ft 3 in)
Height: 5.10 m (16 ft 9 in)
Empty weight: 13975 kg (30,810 lb)
Max take-off weight: 18250 kg (40,235 lb)
Powerplant: 2x 2,375hp Minerva Condor II 24-cylinder radial engines
Maximum speed: 436 km/h (271 mph)
Cruising Speed: 337 km/h (210 mph)
Service ceiling: 7990 m (26,215 ft)
Range: 3395 km (2110 miles)
Armament: twin 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in Boulton Paul N nose turret, twin 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in dorsal and tail turrets, bomb load or torpedoes up to 2000kg (4,409 lb) in an internal bomb bay and four underwing hardpoints

Fokker T.IX
[Kirk's own specs for this type never appeared so I've simmed this off the OTL specs and its the same but with more engine power]
Design of the T.IX was started in 1936 as a mid-wing monoplane with twin fins and rudders and retractable landing gear. The T.IX prototype first flew on 11 September 1937 followed by another six months later. The T.IX entered service during 1940. 5 crewmen are carried.
Wingspan: 24.70 m (81 ft 0 in)
Length: 16.50 m (54 ft 2 in)
Height: 5.10 m (16 ft 9 in)
Empty weight: 6953 kg (15,330 lb) equipped
Max take-off weight: 11200 kg (24,692 lb)
Powerplant: 2x 1,375hp Avia-Minerva Faucon I 14-cylinder radial piston engine
Maximum speed: 440 km/h (273 mph)
Range: 2720 km (1,690 miles)
Service ceiling: 8000 m (26,247 ft)
Armament: 1x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in nose, twin 13.2mm GAST MGs in dorsal and ventral turrets, bomb load up to 2000kg (4,409 lb) in internal bomb bay

Fokker T.IXB
[My own improved version to further plug the 1937-45 gap]
A production aircraft was fitted with 1,650hp Faucon VI engines for tests in May 1941 and this became the basis of an improved version, the T.IXB, which entered service in 1942.
Specification as T.IX except for:
Empty weight: 7674 kg (16,920 lb) equipped
Max take-off weight: 12680 kg (27,955 lb)
Powerplant: 2x 1,735hp Avia-Minerva Faucon XVII 14-cylinder radial piston engine
Maximum speed: 457 km/h (284 mph)
Range: 2566 km (1,595 miles)
Service ceiling: 7860 m (25,790 ft)


Light Attack Bombers / Reconnaissance

Fokker C.XIII
[Kirk had mentioned an army-cooperation version of the Design 127 that led to the F.25 Provider. I've decided to keep that idea alive here]
Two-seat frontline army co-operation and observation aircraft designed to meet a requirement to supplement the De Schelde S.21. The engine is pusher mounted to give excellent visibility for the two crewmen who sit side-by-side. The tailplanes are carried on two booms and a fixed tricycle undercarriage is fitted. The prototype first flew on 4 April 1942 and the first production aircraft were delivered in 1943.
Length: 8.53 m (28 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 12.00 m (39 ft 4 in)
Height: 2.97 m (9 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 18.0 m² (193 ft²)
Empty weight: 961 kg (2,115 lb)
Maximum take-off weight: 1,427 kg (3,140 lb)
Powerplant: 240hp Argus As410
Maximum speed: 227 km/h (141 mph)
Cruise speed: 185 km/h (115 mph)
Service ceiling: 3,400 m (11,150 ft)
Climb to 1,000 m (3,300 ft): 6.2 min
Range: 950 km (590 miles)

De Schelde S.21
[In Kirk's plans, de schelde often gets overlooked, so taking the novel but strange OTL S.21 fighter design, I've made it into an observation type]
The development of the S.21 began in late 1939 as a novel fighter design. The Air Force, however, were not interested in a fighter and the design was adapted as an observation aircraft. The S.21 is a low-wing monoplane with twin tail booms and a large glass cockpit for the pilot in the fuselage gondola. It was powered by a Jumo 211 with a pusher propeller. The prototype was completed in May 1938. The type entered service in 1940 and its high speed and self-defensive armament improve its survivability in defended airspace.
Wingspan: 8.9 m (29 ft 1 in)
Length: 7.4 m (24 ft 2 in)
Height: 2.59 m (8 ft 4 in)
Empty weight: 1700 kg (3747 lb)
Maximum take-off weight: 2500 kg (5,510 lb)
Powerplant: 1,1183hp Junkers Jumo 211E
Maximum speed: 600 km/h (372 mph)
Cruising speed: 520 km/h (323 mph)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
Range: 950 km (590 miles)
Armament: 1x 13.2mm GAST MG nose-mounted

Fokker C.XIIA/ C.XIIA.2
[This is a Kirk's Fokker-Avia B.159 dive-bomber with the same specs and Series II specs as posted in the NPC Aircraft thread]

Trainers
Added the real world Koolhoven F.K.56, Fokker S.IX, Fokker S.XI Instructor and Fokker S.XIII Universal Trainer with OTL specs, just introduced +3 years.


Transports

Fokker F.39
[This is Kirk's planned C-82 clone and is a clone of OTL specs]
A large cargo transport aircraft with twin booms and a tricycle undercarriage and a high-wing layout. The aircraft was designed for a number of roles including; cargo carrier, troop transport, paratrooper transport and medical evacuation. It featured a rear-loading ramp with wide doors and an empennage set 4.2 m (14 ft) off the ground to allow trucks and trailers to access to the doors without obstruction. The single prototype first flew on 10 September 1944. Production deliveries began in 1946. A flightcrew of three is carried. A basically similar version was also produced for civilian use, especially for the oil industry.
Wingspan: 32.5 m (106 ft 6 in)
Length: 23.50 m (77 ft 1 in)
Height: 8 m (26 ft 2 in)
Wing area: 130.1 m2 (1,400 ft2)
Empty weight: 14786 kg (32,597 lb)
Maximum take-off weight: 24,500 kg (54,010 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × 2,375hp Minerva Condor II 24-cylinder radial engines
Maximum speed: 400 km/h (248 mph) at 17,500 ft (5,300 m)
Cruising speed: 351 km/h (218 mph) at 10,000 ft (3,050 m)
Service ceiling: 6,640 m (21,800 ft)
Rate of climb: 4.9 m/sec (980 ft/min)
Range: 6000 km (3,728 miles)
Capacity: 42 troops or 34 stretchers

Fokker F.37
[Kirk planned a military transport developed from the Fokker Arend F.36 airliner. This is it and the specs are the same as the airliner version from the Airliner thread.]

Fokker F.24T
[My own DC-3 esque medium cargo plane based off the F.24 medium airliner, specs same as posted in Airliner thread.]


Naval Reconnaissance / Torpedo bombers

Fokker T.XV-W
[I've seen a need to for a medium-sized flying boat, I was going to clone the Grumman Goose but went with the bigger Mallard. Fokker did design a few similar designs OTL before 1940 but I've only seen pictures and no plans, so I like to think this is fairly realistic.]
In 1943 a requirement was raised to replace the Do-18 fleet and Fokker designed a medium-sized flying boat. The design of the hull required hours of hydrodynamic trials and the high-mounted monoplane wing has retractable floats. Up to six crewmen can be carried and there are glazed observation stations on each side of the fuselage and in the nose is a Phillips surface-search RDF set. The prototype flew on 11 November 1944 and entry into service was during mid-1946.
Wingspan: 20.3 m (66 ft 7 in)
Length: 14.7 m (48 ft 3 in)
Height: 5.72 m (18 ft 9 in)
Empty weight: 4150 kg (9,150 lb)
Max take-off weight: 6500 kg (14,330 lb)
Powerplant: 2× 1,230hp Junkers Motorenbau Jumo 208C 12-cyl diesel engines
Maximum speed: 362 km/h (225 mph)
Cruising speed: 29 km/h (183 mph)
Service ceiling: 8685 m (28,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 6.9 m/s (1,350 ft/min)
Range: 2285 km (1,420 miles)
Armament: twin 13.2mm GAST MGs in dorsal turret, 1x 13.2mm GAST MG in each side hatch, bomb load of bombs/ depth bombs/ mines up to 2000 kg (4400 lb) underwing

Fokker T.XII-W
[Kirk's much vaunted Design 121 never appeared in planebuilder form, I'd already simmed the civil version so this is the military version]
Also known as Design 121, this large flying boat was designed by Fokker, but the hull was designed and built by Dornier. It formed the basis of the F.122 airliner flying boat. The prototype flew during 1937 after some delay and eventually deliveries began during the summer of 1939. A crew up to eleven can be carried and they have full galley and rest facilities.
Length: 42.3 m (138 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 48 m (157 ft 5 in)
Height: 7.9 m (25 ft 11 in)
Wing area: 310 m² (3,337 ft²)
Loaded weight: 38555 kg (85,000 lb)
Powerplant: four 1,230hp Junkers Motorenbau Jumo 208C 12-cyl diesel engines
Maximum speed: 490 km/h (304 mph)
Range: 4500 km (2,794 miles) with normal payload, 6700 km (4,150 miles) with maximum fuel
Armament: 1x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in nose and tail turrets, twin 13.2mm GAST MGs in dorsal turret, 1x 13.2mm GAST MG in each side observation blister, the inner wings have four bays which can accommodate up to 2000kg (4,409 lb) of bombs and depth-bombs or mines

Dornier Do-18 G-1
Kirk had posted the specs of the Jumo 205D powered Do-18G but with the older 600hp 205C engines, so in WW I'd like to refit all with the OTL 880hp Junkers Jumo 205D diesel engines during 1942.

Koolhoven F.K.59
[This is based on an OTL model I've seen for Design 119/ F.K.59 which was offered to Portugal and perhaps Norway before the war. No specs survive so I've based these off the He-115 with a slightly higher aspect ratio wing and more engine power]
Twin-engined twin-float torpedo bomber designed as a replacement for the T.VIII-W during 1939. The aircraft is a streamlined design with a crew of three. A landplane development was proposed but later cancelled. The prototype flew on 16 June 1940 and production aircraft were first delivered in July 1941.
Wing Span: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
Length: 16.4 m (53 ft 9 in)
Wing Area: 730 ft2
Maximum take-off weight: 10400 kg (22,930 lb)
Powerplant: 2 x 1,650hp Avia-Minerva Faucon VI radial engines
Max speed: 490 km/h (305 mph)
Service ceiling: 9450 m (31,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 9 m/sec (1,775 ft/min)
Range: 3350 km (2,082 miles)
Armament: 1x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon fixed in nose, twin 13. 2mm GAST MGs in powered nose and dorsal turrets, 1x 820-950 kg 18in aerial torpedo internally or bombs/ mines up to 1250 kg (2,756 lb) weight


Shipborne & Carrier Aircraft

I haven't been impressed with Kirk's carrier-based aircraft and given the huge gap since 1935, so with Brock's permission I've filled the breech with deliveries during 1943 of;
200 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal (4x 23mm cannon)
150 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard DB
100 Latécoère Late-550 Épaulard TB

De Schelde S.26
[Kirk's Blackburn Firecrest-style torpedo-bomber that he had on his progression chart, a direct clone]
In response to a 1944 requirement to replace the Épaulard torpedo-bomber De Schelde designed a conventional single-seat carrier-based torpedo-fighter based on contemporary developments elsewhere across Europe. Fokker designed the laminar-flow gull wing. The first of three prototypes first flew on 26 August 1945 and were followed by six pre-production aircraft. The production aircraft differed from the prototypes in having powered ailerons and revised tail surfaces and they introduced the new GAST Gs-23 cannon into service. In early-1947 the type entered service.
Wingspan: 13.7 m (44 ft 11 in)/ 5.5 m (18 ft) folded
Length: 12 m (39 ft 3 in)
Wing area: 33.58 m2 (361.5 ft2)
Max take-off weight: 7620 kg (16,800 lb)
Powerplant: 2,875hp Minerva Condor IV 24-cylinder radial engine
Maximum speed: 612 km/h (380 mph) at 5790 m (19,000 ft)
Service ceiling: 9632 m (31,600 ft)
Rate of climb: 12.7 m/sec (2,500 ft/min)
Range: 1450 km (900 miles) internal fuel
Armament: 2x 23mm GAST Gs-23 cannon, 1x 820-950 kg 18in torpedo under fuselage or 2x 500-250 kg bombs or 8x rocket projectiles or 2x 250 litre drop tanks underwing

Fokker D.XIXD
[Kirk never posted specs for this development of the D.XIXC, so I have made some, basically the same except for a more powerful HS 12Y engine]
A development of the D.XIXC single-seat carrier-borne fighter introduced in 1937.
Wing Span: 10.75m (35 ft 2 in)
Length: 7.94m (26 ft 0 in)
Wing Area: 20.4m2
Wingloading: 99.84kg/m2 (20.6lb/ft)
Maximum weight: 2370 kg (5,225 lb)
Powerplant: 1,050hp Hispano-Suiza HS-51 12Y V-12 liquid-cooled engine
Maximum speed: 590 km/h (367mph)
Service eiling: 12570 m (41,250 ft)
Rate of climb: 15.2 m/sec (2,998 ft/min)
Range: 750 km (466 miles)
Armament: 1x 20mm Madsen cannon through propeller, 2x 13.2mm GAST MGs in wings
Armour: 10mm bulkhead behind cockpit

Fokker T.XIV-Wm
[In a PM to Brock, forwarded to me, Kirk mentioned a possible Aichi M6A1 clone and since I had already thought about an Arado 296 clone I thought why not!]
This advanced two-seat twin-float seaplane was designed for a 1939 requirement for a new torpedo strike seaplane to equip the Royal Netherlands Navy’s seaplane carriers. The first of two prototypes first flew on 29 May 1940 and the first batch of production aircraft was delivered during September 1941. The second prototype was converted for a licence-built Minerva Hercules radial during 1941 but performance was roughly the same and no production aircraft followed. During 1942 a small batch of T.XIV-Wr reconnaissance aircraft with no bomb racks were produced. These had two oblique and one vertical camera installed in the fuselage. Two 200 litre drop tanks extend the range to 1830 km (1140 miles). Several were sold to Belgium during 1943.
Length: 11.64 m (38 ft 2¼ in)
Wingspan: 12.26 m (40 ft 2¾ in)
Height: 4.58 m (15 ft ⅜ in)
Wing area: 27.0 m² (291 ft²)
Empty weight: 3,301 kg (7,277 lb)
Loaded weight: 4,040 kg (8,907 lb)
Maximum take-off weight: 4,445 kg (9,800 lb)
Wing loading: 149.6 kg/m² (30.6 lb/ft²)
Powerplant: 1× 1,375hp Avia-Minerva Faucon II V-12 liquid-cooled engine
Maximum speed: 474 km/h (295 mph) at 5,200 m (17,060 ft)
Cruise speed: 296 km/h (184 mph) at 3,000 m (9,850 ft)
Service ceiling: 9,900 m (32,500 ft)
Climb to 3,000 m (9,850 ft): 5 min 48 sec
Range: 1,190 km (739 miles)
Armament: 1x 13.2mm GAST MG in rear cockpit, 1x 820kg 18in aerial torpedo or 1x 850kg bomb or 2x 250kg bombs on ventral racks

Blackburn B.44 Firebrand
[Kirk has shore-based seaplane fighters and given the need to keep competitive and given the B.44 is perhaps the most advanced ever of that type, under a SAER agreement the Dutch get hold of some.]
In 1942, to supplement and eventually replace the BA-10W seaplane fighter, the novel Blackburn B.44 with a retractable planing bottom system with retractable wing floats was purchased from Britain.
Wingspan: 15.2 m (50ft 0in)
Length: 12m (39 ft 4 in)
Height: 4.3 m (14 ft 3in)
Wing area: 318 sq ft
All-up weight: 14,000lb
Powerplant: 2,340hp Napier/Minerva Sabre V 24-cylinder liquid-cooled engine
Maximum speed: 579 km/h (360 mph) at 7620 m (25,000 ft)
Service ceiling: 11580 m (38,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 10.1 m/sec (2,000ft/min)
Range: 1610 km (1,000 miles)
Armament: 4x 23mm FN-Madsen cannon in wings, 2x 250kg bombs or 250 litre drop tanks underwing

Atlantic BA-10W
[Kirk never posted specs for this, he had gotten roughly the same performance as the older BA-7W due to better simming in planebuilder. I've gone for a fresh sheet, and this is a clone of the Grumman F3F-3S Wildcatfish seaplane fighter which I thought possible for a US-based company. Specs are inferior to the BA-7W by some margin, due to over-generous planebuilder simming which Kirk freely admitted.]
In 1936 work began at Atlantic on a successor to the BA-7W for the ship and shore based seaplane fighter requirement. The design was a modern all-metal single-seat monoplane with twin floats. The prototype first flew in February 1938 and deliveries began soon after as no major problems were found during testing, although performance was poorer than expected.
Wingspan: 11.58 m (38 ft 0 in)
Length: 8.76 m (28 ft 9 in)
Height: 3.60 m (11 ft 10 in)
Loaded weight: 3,200 kg (7,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1,200hp Pratt & Whitney R-1830-76 double-row radial engine
Maximum speed: 388 km/h (241 mph)
Service ceiling: 39,500 ft (12,000 m)
Range: 1,360 km (845 miles)
Armament: 4 × 13.2mm GAST MGs in wing with 450rpg, 2x 50 kg bombs underwing

An interesting set of designs, and certainly a lot of them - I am still studying them in detail. Exactly how large is the "customer base" going to be for these aircraft? Depending on the size of the Dutch (and/or Belgian) air services, some of the more specialized designs could be expensive to build in small numbers.

Whew, I'm going have to spend some time pouring over this one before I can comment...

That did occur to me too, especially the burden on Fokker, though Aviolanda and De Schelde are useful sub-contractors.
As to the market, Kirk estimated the total size of the Air Force, including ship-based but not carrier-based aircraft, at 3,792 in 1937. I'm adding about 4-5 air wings of 64 aircraft each, so that's going to be around 4,000 aircraft of all types.

I may need to add another foreign-brought fighter for tactical uses if the numbers are too high, perhaps the F.K.60, perhaps something from elsewhere in Europe.

Quoted from "Hood"

That did occur to me too, especially the burden on Fokker, though Aviolanda and De Schelde are useful sub-contractors.
As to the market, Kirk estimated the total size of the Air Force, including ship-based but not carrier-based aircraft, at 3,792 in 1937. I'm adding about 4-5 air wings of 64 aircraft each, so that's going to be around 4,000 aircraft of all types.

Does that number represent only units deployed at home or does it include the Netherlands East Indies? And does it include non-combat types including trainers?

Given the size of the airframe and aero-engine industry necessary to maintain a force that size, I think the burden on all the Dutch contractors would be significant.

Kirk's figures from the encyclopaedia include trainers and transports etc. and DEI/ colonial forces, though I think not Kongo forces:

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This totals :
23 air wings :
Interceptor : 23x16 = 368
Fighter : 23x16x2 = 736
Bomber : 23x16 = 368
Transports : 23x8 = 184
Resv ftr : 23 x 16 = 368
Resv bmb : 23 x 16 = 368
Trainers : 23x4 = 92
Recon : 23x4 = 92
5 floatplane sdq : 5 x 16 = 80 floatplane ftrs
38 half squadrons : 34x8 = 272 seaplanes
6 transport squadrons : 6x16 = 96
Carrier fighters : 5x48 = 240
Carrier bomb : 5x32 = 160
Resv train : 23 x 16 = 368

Totals
Interceptor : 368
Fighter : 1104
Nav fighter : 240
Float fighter : 80
Nav Bomb : 160
Bomber : 736
Seaplane : 272
Transports : 280
Trainers : 460
Reconn : 92
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3,792

Ah... including the colonial and East Indies forces in that total makes for a clearer picture; otherwise the air space over Holland would be very densely populated. I would comment that the ratio of operational aircraft to training aircraft is extremely low... unless operational squadrons are doing their own flying training. In that regard you may want to consider some revisions.

German commercial attaché in the Hague forwards copies of sales brochures from German aircraft manufacturers featuring training aircraft... :D

Australia has purchased Dutch planes in the past and could continue to do so, so thats a potential export nation. Pics would be nice, at least to get a general idea.

Thanks guys, *sends brochures to Australia*. No pics yet but you can assume the they much like the OTL they are based on until I can draw these.
I'm ok for trainers Bruce, but I'm looking for an Avro Anson type transport/trainer/inexpensive hack.

This is my draft OOB based on Kirk's previous work but fleshed out a bit. [HEALTH WARNING! From this I will scale my inventories by types and functions so changes in what some units are equipped with and the overall numbers of units and even wings may change between this and the final version, but it shows where my mind is at this point and a rough guide to what is where and how much.

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Aircraft Wings are generally arranged in four combat squadrons, each squadron is equipped with 16 aircraft. A fifth service squadron is a mixture of reconnaissance, transports and trainers dedicated to the wing. Each Air Wing has at least two or three airfields under its command, plus emergency and reserve landing grounds for those based overseas. [I have changed from Kirk's multi-type Air Wings as I feel those are likely to be inefficient but the structure is the same]

A typical Fighter Air Wing consists of:
Two squadrons of interceptors
One squadron of fighters
One squadron of heavy/ night fighters
One service Squadron composed of one flight of transports and one flight of trainers
One reservist fighter squadron

A typical Bomber/ Ground-Attack Air Wing consists of:
One squadron of fighters
Three squadron of bombers or ground-attack aircraft
One service Squadron composed of two flights of transports, one flight of reconnaissance aircraft and one flight of trainers of types equipping the other units
One reservist bomber squadron

KEY
Regiment = Wing
Groep = Group
Afdeling = Squadron (16x aircraft)
Patrouille = Flight (6-8x aircraft)


Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) (Koninklijke Luchtmacht – KLu), HQ The Hague


Air Defence Command (Commando Lucht Verdediging – CLV), HQ The Hague

Aerial Warning Group
Fifteen RDF stations and 160 observer positions
Sixteen Sub-Regional CLV HQs
Four Regional CLV HQs

I Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Schiphol Air Base (Amsterdam)
10 Afdeling, Schiphol Air Base, Fokker D.XXIIIE
21 Afdeling, Groningen Air Base, Fokker D.XXV
33 Afdeling, Soesterberg Air Base (Utrecht), Fokker G.3
40 Afdeling, Middenmeer Air Base (Den Helder), Fokker D.XXIIIE
91 Afdeling, Schipol Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker D.XXIII and Atlantic A-9A2 (B Patrouille)
1 Res. Afdeling, Groningen Air Base, Fokker D.XIXC and Fokker S.IX

II Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Ypenburg Air Base
19 Afdeling, Ypenburg Air Base, Fokker D.XXIIIE
22 Afdeling, Ypenburg Air Base, Fokker G.3
6 Afdeling, Ockenburg Air Base, Fokker D.XXIII
37 Afdeling, Haamstede Air Base, Fokker G.1A2
92 Afdeling, Ypenburg Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker G.1A and Fokker D.XXIII and Koolhoven F.K.56 (B Patrouille)
2 Res. Afdeling, Ockenburg Air Base, Fokker D.XIXC and D.H.82a Tiger Moth

III Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Eindhoven Air Base
17 Afdeling, Eindhoven Air Base, Fokker D.XXV
3 Afdeling, Venlo Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.55
8 Afdeling, Gilze-Rijen Air Base, Fokker G.1A2
32 Afdeling, Gilze-Rijen Air Base, Fokker G.3
93 Afdeling, Venlo Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker G.1A and Koolhoven F.K.56 and Atlantic A-9A2 (B Patrouille)
3 Res. Afdeling, Eindhoven Air Base, Fokker D.XIXC and Fokker S.IX

IV Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Deelen Air Base
5 Afdeling, Deelen Air Base, Fokker D.XXV
15 Afdeling, Nijmegen Air Base, Fokker D.XXIIIE
13 Afdeling, Nijmegen Air Base, Fokker D.XXIIIE
30 Afdeling, Apeldoorn Air Base, Fokker G.3
94 Afdeling, Deelen Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 and DH.82A Tiger Moth (A Patrouille) and Fokker D.XXIII and Atlantic A-9A2 (B Patrouille)
4 Res. Afdeling, Apeldoorn Air Base, Fokker G-1A2 and Koolhoven F.K.56


Tactical Air Command (Commando Tactische Luchtstrijdkrachten – CTL), HQ Leeuwarden Air Base

V Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Waalhaven Air Base (Rotterdam)
50 Afdeling, Waalhaven Air Base, Fokker T.IXB
52 Afdeling, Waalhaven Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.61
69 Afdeling, Ruigenhoek Air Base (Noordwijkerhout), Fokker T.IXB
14 Afdeling, Soesterberg Air Base (Utrecht), Fokker D.XXV
95 Afdeling, Waalhaven Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker T.Va and
Atlantic A-9A1 (B Patrouille) and Fokker G-3 (C Patrouille)
5 Res. Afdeling, Waalhaven Air Base, Fokker T.Va and Fokker S.IX

VI Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Volkel Air Base
51 Afdeling, Volkel Air Base, Fokker C.XIIA.2
56 Afdeling, Volkel Air Base, Fokker C.XIIA.2
18 Afdeling, Volkel Air Base, Fokker D.XXV
59 Afdeling, Hilversum Air Base (Utrecht), Fokker G-2C
96 Afdeling, Hilversum Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 and F.K.56 (A Patrouille) and Fokker C.XIIA and Fokker G-1A (B Patrouille) and De Schelde D.21 (C Patrouille)
6 Res. Afdeling, Hilversum Air Base, C.XIII and Atlantic A-9B

VII Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Leeuwarden Air Base
53 Afdeling, Leeuwarden Air Base (Friesland), Fokker T.IXB
55 Afdeling, Leeuwarden Air Base (Friesland), Fokker G-2C
57 Afdeling, Bergen Air Base (Alkmaar), Fokker T.IX
52 Afdeling, Vlieland Air Base (Vlieland Island), Fokker C.XIIA
97 Afdeling, Leeuwarden Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker T.Va and Fokker G-1A (B Patrouille) and Fokker G-2 (C Patrouille)
7 Res. Afdeling, Bergen Air Base, Fokker C.XIII and Koolhoven F.K.56

VIII Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Schiphol Air Base (Amsterdam)
54 Afdeling, Schiphol Air Base, Fokker F.24T and Fokker F.24
58 Afdeling, Schiphol Air Base, Fokker F.24T
36 Afdeling, Middenmeer Air Base (Den Helder), Fokker F.37
98 Afdeling, Middenmeer Air Base (Den Helder), Koolhoven F.K.56 (A Patrouille) and Fokker T.Va and Atlantic A-9B (B Patrouille)
8 Res. Afdeling, Schiphol Air Base, Fokker S.IX and D.H.82a Tiger Moth


Royal Netherlands Air Force Training Command (Koninklijke Militaire School Luchtcommando – KML), HQ Woensdrecht Air Base

1 Advanced Flying Training School, Woensdrecht Air Base, Atlantic A-9A2 & A-9B and Fokker D.XIXC
Navigation School, Woensdrecht Air Base, Atlantic A-9B and Fokker T.IXN
Twin-Conversion Patrouille, Woensdrecht Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57
MLD Flying School, De Vlijt Air Base (Texel Island), Atlantic A-9C and Fokker T.VIII-W and Fokker T.VI
Bombing and Gunnery School, De Vlijt Air Base, Atlantic A-9D and Fokker T.Va and Fokker D.XIXC
Testing Department, De Vlijt Air Base,
Technical Training School, De Vlijt Air Base, Atlantic A-7 and Fokker T.Va and Fw-187A-1 and D.H.82a Tiger Moth
2 Advanced Flying Training School, Haamstede Air Base (Vlissingen), Atlantic A-9A2 & A-9B
1 Basic Flying Training School, Haamstede Air Base, Fokker S.IX and Atlantic A-9A1
Flying Instructor Training Patrouille, Haamstede Air Base, Atlantic A-9A2
2 Basic Flying Training School, Souburgh Air Base (Vlissingen), Fokker S.IX and Atlantic A-9A1
Reservist Flying Training School, Souburgh Air Base, Fokker S.IX and Atlantic A-9A


Netherlands Naval Aviation Service (Marine-Luchtvaartdienst – MLD), HQ Naval Air Station Valkenburg

I Marine Vliegtuigregiment, Naval Air Station Valkenburg
112 Afdeling, Fokker T.VII
114 Afdeling, Fokker T.VII
115 Afdeling, Koolhoven F.K.57 and DH.82a Tiger Moth (A Patrouille)
2 Marine Res. Groep, 48 Fokker C.XIXD and 32 Fokker T.VI

II Marine Vliegtuigregiment, Naval Air Station De Mok (Texel Island)
110 Afdeling ,Fokker T.XII-W
113 Afdeling, Koolhoven F.K.59
111 Afdeling, Koolhoven F.K.59

III Marine Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Naval Air Station De Kooij
Walcheren Groep, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 24 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard
Walaardt Sacré Groep, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 24 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard
Fokker Groep, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 12 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard and 12 Latécoère Late-550 Épaulard
Schip Groep , Fokker T.XIV-Wm
1 Marine Res. Groep, 48 Fokker C.XIXD and 32 Fokker T.VI


Royal Netherlands Air Force East Indies Command (Commando Koninklijke Luchtmacht Nederlands-Indisch - KLNI), Jakarta, Java

Sumatra Air Command (Sumatra Luchtcommando), HQ Palembang Air Base

Aerial Warning Group
Fifteen RDF stations and 180 observer positions
Five Regional CLV HQs

VIe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Palembang Air Base
16e Afdeling, Palembang Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.55
10e Afdeling, Palembang Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.55
2e Afdeling, Palembang Air Base, Fokker G-1B
27e Afdeling, Palembang Air Base, Fokker G-1C2
96e Afdeling, Palembang Air Base, Fokker DC.2 (A Patrouille) and Fokker D.XIXC and Atlantic A-9D (B Patrouille)

VIIe (Marine) Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Medan Air Base
6e Afdeling, Medan Air Base, Fokker D.XV
1e Afdeling, Lho Nga Air Base (Kutaradja), Fokker T.IX
101 Afdeling, Naval Air Station Sabang, Koolhoven F.K.59
105 Afdeling, Naval Air Station Dongalla, Blackburn B.44 Firebrand
120 Patrouille, Paeloe Samboe, Fokker T.XII-W
97e Afdeling, Medan Air Base, Fokker DC.2 (A Patrouille) and Koolhoven F.K.56 (B Patrouille) and Fokker C.XIII (C Patrouille)

VIIIe (Marine) Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Bengkulu Air Base
102 Afdeling, Bengkulu Air Base, Fokker T.VI
33e Afdeling, Bengkulu Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.60
98e Afdeling, Bengkulu Air Base, D.H.82a Tiger Moth (A Patrouille) and Atlantic A-9A (B Patrouille)

IXe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Pekanbaru Air Base
15e Afdeling, Pekanbaru Air Base, Fokker T.IX
1e Res. Afdeling, Pekanbaru Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.60 and Fokker S.IX

Xe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Palembang Air Base
3e Afdeling, Palembang Air Base, Fokker F.37
99e Afdeling, Pekanbaru Air Base, Fokker DC.2 (A Patrouille) and Atlantic A-9B (B Patrouille) and Fokker C.XIII (C Patrouille)

Java Air Command (Java Luchtcommando), HQ Soerabaja Air Base
Major-General E.T. Kengen

Aerial Warning Group
Thirty RDF stations and 380 observer positions
Thirty-two Sub-Regional CLV HQs
Eight Regional CLV HQs

Ie Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Soerabaja Air Base
34e Afdeling, Soerabaja Air Base, Fokker D.XXIIIE
21e Afdeling, Soerabaja Air Base, Fokker D.XXIIIE
26e Afdeling, Soerabaja Air Base, Fokker G.3
8e Afdeling, Andir Air Base (Bandoeng, Java Fokker D.XXV
1 Verkenningsafdeling (assigned to KLNI HQ), Tjikembar Air Base, Fokker G-2
2 Verkenningsafdeling (assigned to KLNI HQ), Djokjakarta Air Base, Fokker C.XIII
91e Afdeling, Soerabaja Air Base, Fokker F.XX (A Patrouille) and Fokker D.XXIII and Atlantic A-9A1 (B Patrouille)

IIe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Singosari Air Base (Malang, Java)
14e Afdeling, Singosari Air Base, Fokker T.IX
32e Afdeling, Singosari Air Base, Fokker T.IX
4e Afdeling, Kalidjati Air Base, Fokker F.37
39e Afdeling, Bugis Air Base (Malang), Fokker G-2C
92e Afdeling, Kalidjati Air Base, Fokker T.Va and Atlantic A-9B (A Patrouille) and Fokker G-2 (C Patrouille)

IIIe (Marine) Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Tjililitan Air Base (Batavia, Java)
105 Afdeling, Tjililitan Air Base, Fokker T.VII
104 Afdeling, Tjililitan Air Base, Fokker T.VII
41e Afdeling, Tjililitan II Air Base, Fokker G-2C
28e Afdeling, Tjililitan II Air Base, Fokker D.XIXD
93e Afdeling, Tjililitan II Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker T.Va and Atlantic A-9B (B Patrouille)
2e Res. Afdeling, Tjilitan Air Base, Atlantic A-10 and Fokker S.IX

IVe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Maospati Air Base (Madioen, Java)
37e Afdeling, Maospati Air Base, Fokker C.XIIA
40e Afdeling, Maospati Air Base, Fokker C.XIIA
5e Afdeling, Maospati Air Base, Fokker G-2C
11e Afdeling, Maospati Air Base, Fokker G-1B
3 Verkenningsafdeling, Kalidjati Air Base, Fokker C.XIII and De Schelde D.21
4 Verkenningsafdeling, Kalidjati airfield, Fokker G-2
94e Afdeling, Maospati Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Atlantic A-10 and Atlantic A-9B (B Patrouille) and De Schelde D.21 (C Patrouille)

Ve Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Semplak Air Base (Buitenzorg, Java)
31e Afdeling, Semplak Air Base, Fokker D.XXIII
38e Afdeling, Semplak Air Base, Fokker D.XXV
17e Afdeling, Semplak Air Base, Fokker G-1B
22e Afdeling, Semplak Air Base, Fokker G-1C2
94e Afdeling, Semplak Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker D.XIXC and Atlantic A-9D (B Patrouille) and De Schelde D.21 (C Patrouille)
3e Res. Afdeling, Semplak Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.60 and Atlantic A-1A

Koninklijke Militaire School Luchtcommando Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Andir Air Base(Bandoeng)
1e Advanced Flying Training School, Andir Air Base, Fokker A-9A2 and Koolhoven F.K.56
Technical Training School, Andir Air Base, Fokker T.Va and Fokker D.XIXB and D.H.82a Tiger Moth
2e Advanced Flying Training School, Kalidjati Air Base (Soebang), Fokker A-9B and Koolhoven F.K.56
Tropical Flying Training School, Kalidjati Air Base (Soebang), Fokker A-9B
3e Advanced Flying Training School, Singosari Air Base (Malang), Koolhoven F.K.57 and Fokker T.Va
MLD Flying School, Naval Air Station Soerabaja, Fokker D.XIXD and Fokker T.VI and Fokker T.C.XI-W and Atlantic BA-10W and Atlantic A-9C
KLNI Depot, Maospati Air Base

IV Marine Vliegtuigregiment, Naval Air Station Soerabaja
Brederode Groep, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 12 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard and 12 Latécoère Late-550 Épaulard
Afdeling, Blackburn B.44 Firebrand
Commando MLD Patrouille, Fokker T.VIII-W
Schip Groep , Fokker T.XIV-Wm
Patrouille, Koolhoven F.K.59
Patrouille, Naval Air Station Morokrembangan, Koolhoven F.K.59
121 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Morokrembangan, Koolhoven F.K.59
123 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Morokrembangan, Fokker T.XII-W
126 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Tanjong Priok, Fokker T.XII-W
3 Marine Res. Groep, 48 Fokker C.XIXD and 32 Fokker T.VI

Borneo Air Command (Borneo Luchtcommando), HQ Tarakan Air Base

Aerial Warning Group
Four RDF stations and 63 observer positions
Two Regional CLV HQs

XIe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Tarakan Air Base
18e Afdeling, Tarakan Air Base Fokker G.1B
9e Afdeling, Tarakan Air Base Koolhoven F.K.60
23e Afdeling, Tarakan II Air Base Koolhoven F.K.60
80e Afdeling, Tarkan II Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.57 (A Patrouille) and Fokker D.XIXC and Atlantic A-9D (B Patrouille)
4 Res. Afdeling, Tarakan Air Base Koolhoven F.K.60 and Atlantic A-9A

XIIe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Samarinda Air Base
12e Afdeling, Samarinda Air Base, Fokker T.IX
7e Afdeling, Samarinda Air Base, Fokker F.37
29e Afdeling, Singkawang Air Base, Fokker C.XIIA
81e Afdeling, Singkawang Air Base, Fokker DC-2 (A Patrouille) and Atlantic A-9B and A-9D (B Patrouille) and De Schelde D.21 (C Patrouille)

V Marine Vliegtuigregiment, Naval Air Station Balikpapan
Brederode, Groep, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 24 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard
Eendracht, Groep, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 12 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard and 12 Latécoère Late-550 Épaulard
van Meel, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 12 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard and 12 Latécoère Late-550 Épaulard
107 Afdeling, Blackburn B.44 Firebrand
127 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Pontianak, Fokker T.XII-W
122 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Sambas (West Borneo), Koolhoven F.K.59
124 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Tarakan, Fokker T.XII-W
Schip Groep , Fokker T.XIV-Wm
4 Marine Res. Groep, 24 Bloch MB.1050D Milan Royal and 22 Breguet-Nord Br.890 Épaulard and 10 Latécoère Late-550 Épaulard

Celebes Air Command (Celebes Luchtcommando), HQ Air Base

Aerial Warning Group
Ten RDF stations and 78 observer positions
Sixteen Sub-Regional CLV HQs
Four Regional CLV HQs

XIIIe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Palu Air Base
30e Afdeling, Palu Air Base, Fokker D.XV
5 Verkenningsafdeling, Kalidjati Air Base, Fokker C.XIII
35e Afdeling, Manado Air Base, Fokker G-1C-2 and Fokker G-1C
19e Afdeling, Malili Air Base, Fokker F.37
82e Afdeling, Palu Air Base, Fokker S.IX and Fokker DC-2 (A Patrouille) and Koolhoven F.K.56 (B Patrouille) and De Schelde D.21 (C Patrouille)

Moluccas Air Command (Moluccas Luchtcommando), HQ Ambon Air Base
Aerial Warning Group
Two RDF stations and 45 observer positions
One Regional CLV HQ

XIVe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Ambon Air Base
103 Afdeling, Ambon Air Base, Fokker T.VI
106 Afdeling, Blackburn B.44 Firebrand
36e Afdeling, Ambon Air Base, Fokker DC-2
24e Adfeling, Laha Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.60
128 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Ternate, Fokker T.XII-W
124 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Halong (Ambon), Fokker T.VIII-W
83e Afdeling, Ambon Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.56 (A Patrouille)

New Guinea Air Command (Nieuw Guinea Luchtcommando), HQ Biak Air Base

Aerial Warning Group
Two RDF stations (Biak and Woendi Island) and 78 observer positions
Four Regional CLV HQs

XVe Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Biak Air Base
25e Afdeling, Biak Air Base, Fokker G-2C
13e Adfeling, Noemfoer Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.60
6e Adfeling, Mokmer Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.60
100 Afdeling, Letfuan Air Base (Banda islands), Fokker T.VI
20e Afdeling, Moker Air Base, Fokker DC-2
125 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Sorong, Fokker T.XII-W
84e Afdeling, Biak Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.56 (A Patrouille) and Atlantic A-10 (B Patrouille)
5e Res. Afdeling, Naval Air Station Sorong, Atlantic A-10 and Fokker S.IX


Suriname Air Command (Surinaame Luchtcommando), HQ Paramaribo Air Base

Surinaame Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Paramaribo Air Base
1s Afdeling, Paramaribo Air Base, Fokker D.XIXC
3s Afdeling, Paramaribo Air Base, Fokker DC-2 (A Patrouille) and Atlantic A-9B (B Patrouille)
2s Afdeling, Moengo Airstrip, Fokker C.XIIA and Fokker C.XIII
129 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Nieuw Nickerie, Fokker T.XII-W
130 Patrouille, Naval Air Station Nieuw Nickerie, Fokker T.VIII-W and Atlantic BA-10W
1s Res. Afdeling, Zanderij Air Base, Fokker S.IX and Atlantic A-9A


Ubangi-Shari Air Force Command (Commando Luchtmacht Ubangi-Sahri - KLNI), HQ Bangui Air Base

Jacht Afdeling, Bangui Air Base, Koolhoven F.K.60
Bommenwerper Afdeling, Bangui Air Base, Fokker C.XIIA
5 Patrouille, Atlantic A-9B1
KLu Tropical Trials Unit, Bangui Air Base, Fokker D.XV and Fokker T.IXB and Koolhoven F.K.55


Kingdom of the Kongo Air Force (Koninkrijk der Konho Luchtmacht – KKLu), HQ Kamina Air Base

1 Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Kamina Air Base
1 Afdeling, Koolhoven F.K.60
4 Afdeling, Fokker C.XIIA
5 Afdeling, Fokker F.24T
7 Afdeling, Fokker C.XIII and De Schelde D.21
8 Res. Afdeling, Koolhoven F.K.58 and Fokker S.IX

2 Vliegtuigregiment, HQ Kinshasa Air Base
2 Afdeling, Koolhoven F.K.60
3 Afdeling, Fokker C.XIIA
6 Afdeling, Fokker C.XIII and De Schelde D.21
Lucht Militaire School, Atlantic A-9B1 and Fokker S.IX and Atlantic A-10 and Koolhoven F.K.58

MLD Detachment Boma, HQ Naval Air Station Boma
140 Patrouille, Fokker T.XII-W
141 Patrouille, Blackburn B.44 Firebrand
142 Patrouille, Fokker DC-2 and Atlantic A-9C

*Begins entering data into Excel so as to sort it for analysis...*

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I'm ok for trainers Bruce, but I'm looking for an Avro Anson type transport/trainer/inexpensive hack.

Yugoslavia's Ikarus sends a package of brochures for its IK-4 twin engine transport/trainer... it can easily be reinstated in production or licensed... 8)

I just remembered, the P-51 started life as a Fokker design, and would be perfect for use in the DEI.

Quoted from "Desertfox"

I just remembered, the P-51 started life as a Fokker design, and would be perfect for use in the DEI.

You are mistaken; it was always an NAA design.

Quoted from "Desertfox"

I just remembered, the P-51 started life as a Fokker design

The WW Mustang was a Fokker-America/Atlantic Aircraft design, with Australia being the launch customer.

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Hey the Mustang is a North American Aviation design !
(Doesn't mean copies are not expected)

Of course North American Aviation didn't produce planes in the early 1930s and was was absorbed by GMC's General Aviation division in 1933, still under the NAA name. Another notable company absorbed by that division, that did have a design and production history, was Fokker-America, aka Atlantic Aircraft.

That amalgamation, led by James "Dutch" Kindelberger, put out the Texan and Mustang.

However, in Wesworld, Fokker-America never was sold to GMC, and is back to the Atlantic Aircraft moniker. Hence why Atlantic (which I have discussed with CanisD) has put out the BT-9 / T-6 "Texan" trainer and will eventually be fielding the Mustang.

From: http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/index.php?pag…craft#post54927

Quoted from "Desertfox"

The WW Mustang was a Fokker-America/Atlantic Aircraft design, with Australia being the launch customer.

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Hey the Mustang is a North American Aviation design !
(Doesn't mean copies are not expected)

Of course North American Aviation didn't produce planes in the early 1930s and was was absorbed by GMC's General Aviation division in 1933, still under the NAA name. Another notable company absorbed by that division, that did have a design and production history, was Fokker-America, aka Atlantic Aircraft.

That amalgamation, led by James "Dutch" Kindelberger, put out the Texan and Mustang.

However, in Wesworld, Fokker-America never was sold to GMC, and is back to the Atlantic Aircraft moniker. Hence why Atlantic (which I have discussed with CanisD) has put out the BT-9 / T-6 "Texan" trainer and will eventually be fielding the Mustang.

From: http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/index.php?pag…craft#post54927

Yes, but I do not believe that is how the American player sees matters. And since NAA and Atlantic Aviation are American companies, I believe he has a significant say in the matter... :whistling:

Quoted from "BruceDuncan"

Yes, but I do not believe that is how the American player sees matters. And since NAA and Atlantic Aviation are American companies, I believe he has a significant say in the matter... :whistling:

Exactly. Canis and Hrolf retconned Fokker's creation of the P-51. It's definitely an NAA design, not Fokker or Atlantic.

The US player is here.

Re: past agreements

So far as I am concerned, North American Aviation is under control of the US player, under its historical ownership, with all its historical aircraft. Regarding the Australian P-51 version, if Oz has built an aircraft that looks very similar to the OTL P-51 Mustang then I shan't quibble over it, however they cannot surpass or overtake NAA development of the aircraft in Wesworld which currently is the D model in service with the H model undergoing testing. That I think is an acceptable compromise for all involved.

A note to all players, I am fairly open to requests for another nation making a clone of various US aircraft, however my "rules" are I don't give away aircraft, and your aircraft cannot surpass the development of what the US has or would have had if they developed the aircraft in Wesworld. Given some of the issues in the past, I think that's a decent compromise.

That settles things I think.
The only Atlantic (Fokker Atlantic) types I'm using are ones designed by Kirk when Canis was in charge. I've made a few later A-9 trainer mods but I guess they could have been built in the Netherlands or I could switch to another home-grown design.
From my perspective, to tie up any further loose ends, Fokker sold their shareholding to GMC around 1938.


I'm doing an Excel number crunch and I've seen some changes in the fighters. I need to add some auxiliary formations (target tugs, radar calibration, meteorology) but this will be using old types anyway. Hopefully I'll get some manpower and training requirements figures too.

Could we agree on an IC sale of Atlantic to the US in 1938 then instead of a straight retcon? With a corresponding sale of Fokker Australia to Australian Aviation? The current Australian Mustang version is the P-51B with Malcolm hood.