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Finally got around to upgrading the drawing. This is the final design. Who want's these little ships in their backyard!

It's a faster, bigger gunned, less armored British Montana. Crikey!

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Originally posted by Hood
Finally got around to upgrading the drawing. This is the final design. Who want's these little ships in their backyard!

You mean I have a choice? They were built in my backyard! (And I'm glad they're in my back yard, helpfully guarding my back door!)

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by Hood
Finally got around to upgrading the drawing. This is the final design. Who want's these little ships in their backyard!

You mean I have a choice? They were built in my backyard! (And I'm glad they're in my back yard, helpfully guarding my back door!)

I suppose it would be better than having them in your front yard.

*Shakes fist*

GET OFF MY LAWN!

*Parks an old battleship on Rocky's front lawn, jacks it up on cinder blocks and pulls off the tires to sell for walking around money.*

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by Hood
Finally got around to upgrading the drawing. This is the final design. Who want's these little ships in their backyard!

You mean I have a choice? They were built in my backyard! (And I'm glad they're in my back yard, helpfully guarding my back door!)

They are in my backyard too, but I am not concerned.

I recall the old Chinese proverb,

"Water can support a ship, water can upset it."

Nice drawing Hood.

I don't like that drawing. It is too big, too much red on the hull and too many details.

*just kidding*

It's a great line drawing indeed. I wonder how long it takes you to do one of those. Of course templates help, but I guess from my own experience there are still some hours to spend until it's finished...

Two points I really like to address:
1.) Her hull really looks long, almost too long, compared to her superstructure. The relation length to hight of the ship is ... off, somehow. The number of decks on her bridge is pretty much standard so the impression obviously originates from her hull. A side effect are bow and stern forward and aft of her main guns which are much longer than one is used from British ships. Would you agree? Have you tested higher masts? Might help to compensate to some degree...
2.) What's that thing right above of that searchlight on her second funnel?

Brock, looking at the past of England and France (and not the recent, but the more distant), I'd say that they are built in your frontyard and not your backyard...

Still not so sure about the need of that Jammer. You said "The electronic fit is a 1945 fit when the ships complete" in the past when it was mentioned, but has something happened in Wesworld that would require something like that to be added to a ship?

Also, they were started in 1939 and it takes a bit more than 5.5 years to build them, so they cannot be finished in May 1944. If my calculations are correct, starting on January 1, 1939, they won't be completed until July 11, 1944.

I've revisited my CVL design.
I've increased the hull to full Centaur Class standards, but the lack of heavier guns nagged me slightly given the risk of surface raiders.
I had the brainwave of fitting two twin 4.5in Mk VI aft to boost the AA power and surface-hitting power without overloading the ship. But is 2x2 4.5in really worth it or not? I'm not sure and I'd value opinions on the subject.

Here is the revised sim. The alternative (unsimmed yet) is the same hull minus the 4.5 with 16 6pdr guns.

Carriers K, L, Great Britain Aircraft Carrier laid down 1945

Displacement:
15,775 t light; 16,229 t standard; 18,561 t normal; 20,427 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
701.28 ft / 685.00 ft x 96.00 ft x 18.50 ft (normal load)
213.75 m / 208.79 m x 29.26 m x 5.64 m

Armament:
4 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns (2x2 guns), 45.00lbs / 20.41kg shells, 1945 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 1945 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1941 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 0.66" / 16.8 mm guns (4x6 guns), 0.14lbs / 0.07kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 279 lbs / 127 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 450

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 180.00 ft / 54.86 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 40 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.50" / 38 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 114,900 shp / 85,715 Kw = 31.20 kts
Range 12,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,198 tons

Complement:
794 - 1,033

Cost:
£6.849 million / $27.394 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 39 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 1,970 tons, 10.6 %
- Belts: 268 tons, 1.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 28 tons, 0.2 %
- Armour Deck: 1,673 tons, 9.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,902 tons, 15.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,565 tons, 35.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,786 tons, 15.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 4,300 tons, 23.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
32,019 lbs / 14,524 Kg = 702.8 x 4.5 " / 114 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
Metacentric height 6.7 ft / 2.0 m
Roll period: 15.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.534
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.00 ft / 9.45 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 31.00 ft / 9.45 m (21.00 ft / 6.40 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 23.50 ft / 7.16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 227.8 %
Waterplane Area: 45,212 Square feet or 4,200 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 150 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 536 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.12
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Class Names: HMS

Belt is box armour around magazines

Hangar deck: 545 x 65 x 17.5ft
Served by two 55 x 44ft lifts with capacity for 30,000lbs
Two hydralic accelerators with capacity for 30,000lbs aircraft
Arrestor gear of 9 wires, 1 trickle wire, 2 forward wires and two safety barriers

48 aircraft usually carried (4x 12 aircraft squadrons)
6 crated spare aircraft carried for attrition replacement

Electric Equipment: ?

IMHO, if the enemy surface force has closed within gun range, four 4.5in guns is not going to contribute significantly to the ship's survival - the surface screen is supposed to be of sufficient strength to keep surface raiders away; if it cannot, then the game is up. That is, unless your opponent's name is Kurita.

On the other hand, they do contribute to the AA defense of the vessel. However, if that is the case, I would prefer to put them forward rather than aft, as the forward quarters would be the likelier venue for low-level torpedo attacks.