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Saturday, August 11th 2012, 3:29am

Stara Planina

Here's a possible idea for the Bulgarian Navy for 1943.

This sort of ship would be a one-stop-shop for a destroyer, MTB, or submarine - part tanker, part tender, and part base ship.

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[SIZE=3]Stara Planina, Bulgarian Fleet Tender laid down 1943[/SIZE]

Displacement:
2,783 t light; 2,914 t standard; 4,060 t normal; 4,977 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
369.25 ft / 360.89 ft x 47.57 ft x 14.27 ft (normal load)
112.55 m / 110.00 m x 14.50 m x 4.35 m

Armament:
8 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 54 lbs / 24 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 1,640

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 2.17" / 55 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 6,452 shp / 4,813 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 17,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,063 tons

Complement:
253 - 330

Cost:
£0.828 million / $3.313 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 7 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 198 tons, 4.9 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 6 tons, 0.2 %
- Armour Deck: 180 tons, 4.4 %
- Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 167 tons, 4.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,112 tons, 27.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,278 tons, 31.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1,300 tons, 32.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,134 lbs / 4,143 Kg = 1,616.5 x 2.2 " / 57 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 13.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.580
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m (9.84 ft / 3.00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Stern: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 14.68 ft / 4.48 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 51.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.0 %
Waterplane Area: 12,324 Square feet or 1,145 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 215 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 292 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.49
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Notes:
Up to 1,500 tons of fuel can be earmarked for transfer to other craft.

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
- 115 tons for 7200 rounds of 105mm ammunition or 3782 rounds of 130mm ammunition
- 36 tons for 36,000 rounds of 40mm ammunition
- 249 tons for machine shop and repair facilities
- 50 tons for cranes and boat handling equipment (can lift MTBs onto aft deck for repair)
- 150 tons for 75 transient crewmen (MTB base ship)
- 350 tons for consumables
- 350 tons for parts

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Saturday, August 11th 2012, 2:21pm

An interesting design.

It could be trying to do more on one hull that can be done well, but it should be able to handle moderate demands. I'm not certain that it would fulfill the needs of MTBs, DD and submarines all at the same time for any lengthy period - its stores, particularly fuel, might be exhausted too rapidly. But for supporting regular operations and giving flexibility to the fleet, it's a worthwhile investment.

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Saturday, August 11th 2012, 5:41pm

An interesting concept.
Machine shops and foundaries should be able to do all sorts of repairs to all these classes. But spares are likely to be type specific and I can't see these ships having the facility to stock enough of destroyer, MTB and submarine parts. Also a sub depot ship should really have some kind of battery recharging plant. It can probably serve as a floating "grocery and stocks" store dispensing fresh food and other consumable itmes and ammo to destroyers and submarines while herding a flock of MTBs but I doubt it could do serious repair work on ships or subs at the same time. While the MTB crews are catered for some extra accomodation for sub crews etc. would be wise if the plan is to operate with MTBs and subs at the same time.

Really, I just feel its trying to do the work of two/ three seperate ships.

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Sunday, August 12th 2012, 12:50am

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
I'm not certain that it would fulfill the needs of MTBs, DD and submarines all at the same time for any lengthy period - its stores, particularly fuel, might be exhausted too rapidly.

I should have stated originally that, if the design is advanced, the ship would only be supporting one (or at most two) squadrons at any particular time, and thus would carry specialized parts for those ships assigned to the squadron. So there'd eventually be 2-3 ships of this class, each assigned to a particular squadron or task group.

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Sunday, August 12th 2012, 12:54am

Oh, I see where you are going here. A common hull with common fittings, but optimized to support one sort of craft - leading to several examples each optimized for a particular mission. That makes more sense in my book.

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Sunday, August 12th 2012, 1:54am

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Oh, I see where you are going here. A common hull with common fittings, but optimized to support one sort of craft - leading to several examples each optimized for a particular mission. That makes more sense in my book.

Correct. In theory/a perfect universe, I'd probably make around three - one to support the coastal forces, one to support the Gordi light destroyers and Komitadji class minelayers, and one to support the Drazkis and Kyustendils.

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Sunday, August 12th 2012, 1:56am

You mean Wesworld isn't perfect? 8o

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Sunday, August 12th 2012, 2:06am

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
You mean Wesworld isn't perfect? 8o

I've been missing a lot of the memos recently, so maybe. ;)

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Sunday, August 12th 2012, 11:59am

Ah, yes that makes more sense.
I've done that for the latest RN sub and destroyer tenders and Argentine repair ships and destroyer tenders. A common hull but different equipment fits.