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aowwt
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(4/14/03 11:40:09 pm)
Reichsmarine
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Okay so its not much of a fleet but I thought I post it anyhow.

Pre-Dreadnoughts
Hannover, Schlesien, Schleswig-Holstein, Lothringen, Preussen, and Hessen.

Light Cruisers
Hamburg, Berlin, Arcona, Nymphe, Thetis, Amazone

Destroyers
V1, V2, V3, V5, V6, G6, G7, G8, G10, G11, S18, S19, S23

Torpedo Boats
T151, T152, T153, T154, T155, T156, T157, T158, T175, T185, T190, T196

i renamed the fleet and inputted the ship names of destroyers and torpedoe boats. I still would like to see the stats on the T class of torpedo boats and V, G, and S class of destroyers.

Sincerly
Vice-Admiral Adolf von Trotha
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Edited by: aowwt at: 4/17/03 10:22:15 pm

aowwt
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(4/15/03 12:07:36 pm)
The Pre-dreadnoughts
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Deutschland Class Predreadnought, laid down 1903

Ships in class: Hannover, Schlesien, Schleswig-Holstein

Length, 125.9 m x Beam, 22.8 m x Depth, 8.2 m
13764 tonnes normal displacement (13046 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 4 x 28.3-cm (2 x 2)
Secondary battery: 14 x 17.0-cm
QF battery: 20 x 8.8-cm

Weight of broadside: 2400 kg

6 TT, 45.0 cm (submerged)

Main belt, 24.1 cm; ends unarmored
Armor deck, average 10.0 cm
Conning tower, 30.0 cm

Battery armor:
Main, 28.0 cm / secondary, 15.0 cm
QF, 5.0 cm

Maximum speed for 11053 indicated kw = 18.50 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 4500 nm / 10 knots

Typical complement: 635-826


Estimated cost, $5.182 million (£1.296 million)

Remarks:

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.

Main deck secondary guns subject to being washed down
in a seaway.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 660 tonnes = 5 pct
Armor, total ..................... 3976 tonnes = 29 pct

Belt 1169 tonnes = 8 pct
Deck 1562 tonnes = 11 pct
C.T. 146 tonnes = 1 pct
Armament 1100 tonnes = 8 pct

Machinery ........................ 2211 tonnes = 16 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 5484 tonnes = 40 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 1433 tonnes = 10 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 0 tonnes = 0 pct
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13764 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 1.3 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 12331 tonnes
Standard displacement: 13046 tonnes
Normal service: 13764 tonnes
Full load: 14284 tonnes

Loading submergence 2009 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.14

Shellfire needed to sink: 6066 kg = 19.3 x 28.3-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.7
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 79 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.59

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.58

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.58
Sharpness coefficient: 0.43
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 5.27
'Natural speed' for length = 20.3 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 48 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 95 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 105 percent


Displacement factor: 101 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.18
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 839 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 3.06
(for 5.00 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +0.08 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.30


Braunshweig Class Pre-dreadnought, laid down 1901

Ships in class: Lorthringen, Preussen, and Hessen

Length, 126.0 m x Beam, 22.2 m x Depth, 8.2 m
13875 tonnes normal displacement (12806 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 4 x 28.3-cm (2 x 2)
Secondary battery: 14 x 17.0-cm
QF battery: 18 x 8.8-cm

Weight of broadside: 2381 kg

6 TT, 45.0 cm (submerged)

Main belt, 22.5 cm; ends unarmored
Armor deck, average 12.0 cm
Conning tower, 30.0 cm

Battery armor:
Main, 25.0 cm / secondary, 15.0 cm
QF, 5.0 cm

Maximum speed for 10026 indicated kw = 18.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 6500 nm / 10 knots

Typical complement: 639-831


Estimated cost, $5.051 million (£1.263 million)

Remarks:

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.

Main deck secondary guns subject to being washed down
in a seaway.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 655 tonnes = 5 pct
Armor, total ..................... 4195 tonnes = 30 pct

Belt 1073 tonnes = 8 pct
Deck 1868 tonnes = 13 pct
C.T. 147 tonnes = 1 pct
Armament 1108 tonnes = 8 pct

Machinery ........................ 2067 tonnes = 15 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 5175 tonnes = 37 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 1784 tonnes = 13 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 0 tonnes = 0 pct
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13875 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 1.2 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 12092 tonnes
Standard displacement: 12806 tonnes
Normal service: 13875 tonnes
Full load: 14676 tonnes

Loading submergence 2003 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.15

Shellfire needed to sink: 6401 kg = 20.4 x 28.3-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.8
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 84 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.66

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.67

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.60
Sharpness coefficient: 0.44
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 5.26
'Natural speed' for length = 20.3 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 47 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 91 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 104 percent


Displacement factor: 102 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.14
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 790 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.92
(for 5.00 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +0.07 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.26

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King of Riva
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(4/16/03 8:08:58 am)
Name
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Will you continue to call the german navy "High Sea Fleet" (Hochseeflotte)? The historical name was "Reichsmarine" which became "Kriegsmarine" under the Nazis.

I´m just curious because HSF seems quite odd for a navy having only a handful of pre-dreads...

aowwt
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(4/16/03 3:11:38 pm)
Re: Name
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it will be called reichsmarine. I was having a little fun with the post. It was getting late and i thought calling my german restricted fleet the High Seas Fleet it would cause a little and i guess it did. Well the funny thing is that the second class of predreadnoughts are actually pretty bad seakeeping ships.
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Tigger on Coffee
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(4/17/03 7:27:12 pm)
This may help
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Quoted

Destroyers and Torpedo Boats. Unknown at this time.

http://www.feldgrau.com/articles.php?ID=51

Assuming your mirroring Versailles IRL.

hth

Tom(Finding this an interesting place to lurk)


Rooijen10
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(4/18/03 4:45:39 am)
Re: This may help
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[/quote]I still would like to see the stats on the T class of torpedo boats and V, G, and S class of destroyers.[/quote]



I got some from Jane's. I'm not sure if you need it but here it is:

4 Krupp-Germania: G 7, 8, 10, 11(1911)
5 Vulkan: V 1-3, 5, 6 (1911)
Displacement: 564-570 tons normal, 700 tons full load ?
Dimensions: 233 x 23 x 9 5/6 (mean draught) feet
Armament: 2 x 3.1 inch (22pdr) 30 cal, 2 machineguns
TT: 1 x 19.7 inch
Designed HP: 15,000 = 32.5 knots
S 23 made 37 knots on trials, other boats all exceeded designed speeds
Fuel: 110 tons coal, 60 tons oil
Turbines, Parsons in Germania boats; AEG-Curtis in Vulcan Boats
4 Schultz-Thornycroft boilers (1 oil burning)
Complement: 73

3 Schichau: S 18, 19, 23 (1912)
Displacement: about 570 tons
Dimensions: 234 2/3 x 24 1/2 x 10 feet
Armament: 2 x 4.1 inch, 1 x 3.1 inch (22pdr)
TT: 4 x 19.7 inch
Designed SHP: 15,000 = 32.5 knots
Meims Pfenninger Turbines
Fuel: 135 tons coal, 55 tons oil
Complement: 75

T-151 to T-158 (Vulkan) (1907)
Displacement: 554 tons normal, full load 670 tons ?
Dimensions: 236 1/2 x 25 2/3 x 10 (mean draught) feet
Armament: 2 x 3.1 inch (15pdr) 35 cal, 2 machineguns
TT: 3 x 17.7 inch
Designed SHP: 10,250 = 30 knots
Fuel: 160 tons coal
Complement: 83

T-175 (Krupp Germania) (1909)
T-185 (Vulkan) (1909)
Displacement: 637 tons normal, full load 750 tons ?
Dimensions: 243 x 26 x 10 feet
Armament: 2 x 3.4 inch (22pdr) 30 cal, 4 or 2 machineguns
TT: 4 x 19.7 inch
Designed SHP: 16,000 = 31.5 to 32.5 knots
AEG-Curtis turbines
Fuel: 190 tons coal, 40 tons oil
Complement: 83


T-190 (Vulkan) (1910)
T-196 (Krupp Germania) (1910)
Displacement: (T-196) 648 tons (T-190) 656 tons, full load 750 tons ?
Dimensions: 243 x 26 x 10 1/2 feet
Armament: 2 x 3.4 inch (22pdr) 30 cal, 2 machineguns
TT: 4 x 19.7 inch
Designed SHP: 16,000 = 32.5 knots
AEG-Curtis turbines in T-190, Parsons turbines in T-196
4 Schultz-Thornycroft boilers (1 oilfiring)
Fuel: 160-170 tons coal, 55 tons oil
Complement: 83 (93 war complement)


Walter


aowwt
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(4/18/03 7:25:17 am)
Re: This may help
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thanks rooijen. That helps me out a touch
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