WesWorld

A nit pic the cross secional stranght is 0,48

She's an old design, before the new rules. I've moved her from the destroyer leader/scout cruiser section to new type A post.

Oh.
Sorry

No problem, nice to know people are examining designs in some detail.

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She's an old design, before the new rules.

Care to explain what you mean by that? (cause I don't understand what you're trying to say with that)

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She's an old design, before the new rules.

They were laid down in 1928.

Exactly, and that's why I do not understand why Wes said that it is "an old design, before the new rules." They're anything but old.

I'm puzzled as well, the cross-sectional strength rule hasn't been changed recently.

The x sectional rule is from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before 1928. Now I could be wrong, but I think that the x-sectional bit was determined before Spring Sharp even existed. Before we started on this board... but like I said, I could be wrong about that.

... okay so I could be wrong about it being pre Sharp... but I can't be certain of that. My Style DD sims have x-sectional <0.50, but all the Sharp 1 sims have x-sectional of 0.50 or greater.
http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?th…1538f71850521a9
Note that that post is from the previous board we were on.
Hooman (a.k.a. King of Riva) mentioned "Your low cross-sectional hull strength concerns me. IIRC, the rule of thumb asks for a hull strength of at least 0.5 for DDs."
Though this was before the gentlemen rules were established, we were already using it back then.

The post on gentlemans rules last edited by HoOmAn on 18.03.2005, thats where the 0.50 cross sectional rule is stated.

The H class ships were laid down as of 8.8.2005 (1928 sim time), I can't find any earlier posts running the design past everyone on the board so technically they are 5 months past the gentlemans design rules.

As always, this wasn't mentioned when the designs were presented and the ships are long completed.....

http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?th…1538f71850521a9
MY Gentlemen's Rules have them before 2005.

08.08.2004, 17:12 to be exact
... but the x-sectional rule is much older than that.

... taking a look at my DD designs of Spring Sharp 1, they all have a cross sectional 0.5 or greater. A few of the very old sims have been edited, obviously the point where the cross sectional hull strength were raised from <0.50 to 0.50 or greater. Those files are dated Saturday, May 24, 2003. At that point we pretty much began to used the rule (back then unwritten) of cross sectional of 0.50 or greater.

Well if we are going to get this sticky about the rules I've managed to find seven other DD designs that break this rule posted much later.

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Well if we are going to get this sticky about the rules I've managed to find seven other DD designs that break this rule posted much later.

Excelent hunting, leader! I'll go take a look myself.

It is interesting that the earliest Sharp DD sims I have are from Wednesday, April 30, 2003 while the last springstyle DD sims are on Sunday, April 13, 2003... so this unwritten rule came in existence about the time that Spring Sharp was introduced.

This is an issue that DesertFox keeps getting hit on with his DD designs, the cross-sectional strength minimum has certainly been 0.50 since I've been involved here.

Well, I haven't looked at the NPC nations, but here are the PC nation ships which have a cross sectional hull strength of < 0.50 which are given inside the encyclopedia. I think I got all of the ships, regardless of date thus I added the date of the designs as well. Russia's 1916 Mediniy is the lowest at a cross sectional of 0.35.
I have also included ships in the list that use the hull strength <1.00 with a speed <24 knots. I think in a number of cases this was done due to the small size of the ships (for example, the RSAN R-class is mere 100 tons). A few nations do not have sims of the ships so I'm not sure if they are 'correct'.
Marek, it is funny that those designs of Romania and Yugoslavia are foreign designs.
:-)



Atlantis: 1919 Basillone = 0.43, 1919 Admiralty Type 2 = 0.43, 1928 H class = 0.48

Australia: 1928 HMAS Aclarity = 0.49, 1917 HMAS Spencer = 0.49

Denmark: 1918 D 13 = 0.44, 1917 Sohunden = 0.46, 1915 D 9 = 0.45, 1912 D 5 = 0.49

France: 1914 Ouaseau <1.00 at 21 knots

Italy: 1925 rebuild Bari = 0.47

Netherlands: 1900 Z1 = 0.45 (retired), 1903 Z13 = 0.47, 1909 Z25 = 0.47 (though its reconstruction >0.5), 1911 F1 = 0.46

Nordmark: 1918 20-class = 0.49

Philippines: 1898 Gazelle <1.00 at 21.48 knots

Romania: 1905 Solitario = 0.49

Russia: 1904 Bucharskiy = 0.47, 1905 Sibirsky Strelok = 0.46, 1904 Zorkiy = 0.45, 1908 Pion = 0.49, 1912 Gvozdika = 0.46, 1916 Tyulpan = 0.45, 1920 Lilya = 0.46, 1916 Mediniy = 0.35!!

South Arica: 1926 UJ <1.00 at 19.95 knots, 1928 R < 1.00 at 21.35

Turkey: 1928 Agri = 0.44, 1925 S-1 1 at 16 knots and cross = 0.39, 1916 Kocatepe = 0.46, 1909 Demirhisar = 0.44, 1907 Samsoun = 0.45

USA: 1909 Paulding = 0.45, 1916 Caldwell = 0.44, 1917 Wilkes = 0.43

Yugoslavia: 1918 D 13 = 0.44

Hmm I have too put a warning on my destroyers sharp manuvers may cose ship breaking.

Quick! Give them the warning sign!
*CRACK!*
Too late!! :-)

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Italy: 1925 rebuild Bari = 0.47

That one was basically just so that Italy can have the fastest ship in the WW. About 39.5knts light. I did mention it at the time.