WesWorld

...aka My Pet Peeve in WesWorld.

In OTL, the predreadnoughts Mississippi and Idaho were sold to Greece, and the proceeds were used to build the third New Mexico-class ship.

In WW, Greece bought two battlecruisers from Atlantis instead. Of course, the Greeks came out way ahead in this deal, however the USN is the loser; no sale of the BB-23 class ships = no third N.M.

So I propose that the two Mississippis were sold, just to other nations...
Mississippi = China
Idaho = Mexico

Any thoughts on this? Objections?
(SpringStyle for this class is appended at the end of this message).

Perhaps we should 'plan out' all the NPC navies as they were on 1/1/21?

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(hand-edited to show additional armament and weight of same...)

United States Mississippi-class predreadnought battleship, laid down 1904

Length, 382 ft x Beam, 77.0 ft x Depth, 24.6 ft
13025 tons normal displacement (11947 tons standard)

Main battery: 4 x 12.00-inch / 305mm 45-cal (2 x 2)
Secondary battery: 8 x 8.00-inch / 203mm 45-cal (4 x 2)
QF battery: 8 x 7.00-inch / 178mm 45-cal (casemates)
Light battery: 12 x 3.00-inch / 76.2mm 50-cal (casemates)
AA battery: 12 x 1.85-inch / 47mm
Saluting guns: 4 x 1.10-inch / 28mm
MG battery: 4 x 0.30-inch / 7.62mm

Weight of broadside: 7078 lbs

2 TT, 21.0" (submerged)

Main belt, 9.0 inches; bow and stern, 4.0 inches
Armor deck, average 2.0 inches
C.T., 9.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 12.0" / secondary, 6.5"
QF, 7.0" / light guns, 2.0" shields

Maximum speed for 10926 ihp = 17.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 6900 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 610-792


Estimated cost, $5.410 million (£1.352 million)

Remarks:

Good seaboat; rides out heavy weather easily.

Main deck QF guns subject to being washed down in a seaway.

Main deck light guns subject to being washed down in a seaway.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 885 tons = 7 pct
Armor, total ..................... 3910 tons = 30 pct

Belt 1268 tons = 10 pct
Deck 799 tons = 6 pct
C.T. 107 tons = 1 pct
Armament 1736 tons = 13 pct

Machinery ........................ 1607 tons = 12 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 4678 tons = 36 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 1925 tons = 15 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 20 tons = 0 pct
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13025 tons = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 4.4 ft

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 11100 tons
Standard displacement: 11947 tons
Normal service: 13025 tons
Full load: 13835 tons

Loading submergence 617 tons/foot

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.15

Shellfire needed to sink: 12208 lbs = 14.1 x 12.0-inch shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.8
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 59 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.54

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.32

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.63
Sharpness coefficient: 0.47
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 4.97
'Natural speed' for length = 19.5 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 48 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 95 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 94 percent


Displacement factor: 91 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.97
(Structure weight per square
foot of hull surface: 157 lbs)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.22
(for 14.0 ft average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment -2.0 ft)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.05

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

382.00 x 77.00 x 24.60; 14.00 -- Dimensions
0.63 -- Block coefficient
1904 -- Year laid down
17.00 / 6900 / 10.00; Reciprocating -- Speed / radius / cruise
25 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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4 x 12.00; 2; 0 -- Main battery; turrets; superfiring
:
8 x 8.00; 4 -- Secondary battery; turrets
:
8 x 7.00 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
Main deck battery
:
12 x 3.00 -- Fourth (light) battery
2 / 2 / 21.00 -- TT / submerged / size
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9.00 / 4.00 / 0.00 / 0.00; 100 -- Belt armor; relative extent
2.00 / 9.00 -- Deck / CT
12.00 / 6.50 / 7.00 / 2.00 -- Battery armor


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So I propose that the two Mississippis were sold, just to other nations...
Mississippi = China
Idaho = Mexico

If that is the case, let's rename the Chinese one to "Lee Siu-Lung"
:-)

BTW, I have no objections with that.

Quoted

Perhaps we should 'plan out' all the NPC navies as they were on 1/1/21?

Which Navies did you have in mind? I can tell you that I have a bunch of Chinese ships simmed.

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Which Navies did you have in mind? I can tell you that I have a bunch of Chinese ships simmed.

Actually, I was thinking it would be a good idea to 'set out' all of the NPC navies, not necessarily simming all the ships, but showing the fleet lists. We've already gotten glimpses of Argentina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Romania, and Yugoslavia...