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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 5:08pm

India's 1932 Warshipalooza

There are six new types being introduced, though to be fair, two are variants of existing classes and two others are mercantile conversions.


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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 5:09pm

L-5 Class Coastal Minelayer

This simple little vessel is a derivative of the anti-submarine launch built in large numbers over the past few years. It is intended to lay defensive minefields in friendly waters, so the armament, speed, and range of the vessel remain very limited. Since there is little need to be laying minefields in peace time, it is expected that these craft will also function in patrol, torpedo retrieval and search and rescue roles.

Seven units are to be built in 1932.




L-5, laid down 1932

Length, 40.0 m x Beam, 5.8 m x Depth, 2.0 m
220 tonnes normal displacement (202 tonnes

standard)

Main battery: 2 x 3.5-cm

Weight of broadside: 1 kg

Hull unarmored

Battery armor:
Main, 3.0 cm shields


Maximum speed for 2000 shaft kw = 20.43 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 2000 nm / 12 knots

Typical complement: 29-37

Miscellaneous Weight:
-5 t: Derrick (2.5 t load limit)
-15 t: Mines and minelaying gear, including 10 mines


Estimated cost, $332,000 (£83,000)

Remarks:

Magazines and engineering spaces are cramped, with

poor
watertight subdivision.


Distribution of weights:


Percent


normal


displacement:

Armor, total ..................... 1 tonnes

= 0 pct

Armament 1 tonnes

= 0 pct

Machinery ........................ 79 tonnes

= 36 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 98 tonnes

= 44 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 22 tonnes

= 10 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 20 tonnes

= 9 pct
-----
220 tonnes

= 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 0.1 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 198 tonnes
Standard displacement: 202 tonnes
Normal service: 220 tonnes
Full load: 233 tonnes

Loading submergence 141 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping

ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.07

Shellfire needed to sink: 91 kg = 152.6 x 3.5-cm

shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 0.2
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 51 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.02

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.03

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.47
Sharpness coefficient: 0.36
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 6.64
'Natural speed' for length = 11.5 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 73 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 128

percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 96

percent


Displacement factor: 121 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.99
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 161 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 5.61
(for 2.90 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +0.75 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.18

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

131.20 x 19.02 x 6.56; 9.51 -- Dimensions
0.47 -- Block coefficient
1932 -- Year laid down
20.43 / 2000 / 12.00; Oil-fired turbine or equivalent --

Speed / radius / cruise
20 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
++++++++++
2 x 1.38; 0 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
Gun-shields
:
0 -- No secondary battery
0 -- No tertiary (QF/AA) battery
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
++++++++++
0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
1.18 / 0.00 / 0.00 / 0.00 -- Battery armor


(Note: For portability, values are stored in

Anglo-American units)




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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 5:13pm

Sri Pada Class Frigate

This is a very close variant of the Nanda Devi class frigate. The notable difference is that the torpedo tubes have been omitted in exchange for a larger aft superstructure, which contains working space for a surveying party involved in charting atolls and conducting bathymetry studies. Depth charge throwers have also been added to allow for an ASW function.

Two units are to be laid down in 1932.




Sri Pada, laid down 1932

Length, 92.5 m x Beam, 9.9 m x Depth, 3.4 m
1413 tonnes normal displacement (1056 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 2 x 12.5-cm (1 x 2)
Secondary battery: 4 x 3.5-cm
AA battery: 4 x 1.5-cm

Weight of broadside: 57 kg

Hull unarmored

Battery armor:
Main, 3.0 cm / secondary, 2.0 cm shields
AA, 2.0 cm shields

Maximum speed for 8004 shaft kw = 24.28 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 15000 nm / 12 knots

Typical complement: 115-150

Miscellaneous Weight:
-25 t: 1 aircraft
-25 t: catapult
-10 t: ASDIC
-20 t: Depth Charges and two throwers



Estimated cost, $1.691 million (£423,000)

Remarks:

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 16 tonnes = 1 pct
Armor, total ..................... 16 tonnes = 1 pct

Armament 16 tonnes = 1 pct

Machinery ........................ 317 tonnes = 22 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 589 tonnes = 42 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 395 tonnes = 28 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 80 tonnes = 6 pct
-----
1413 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 0.4 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 1017 tonnes
Standard displacement: 1056 tonnes
Normal service: 1413 tonnes
Full load: 1692 tonnes

Loading submergence 541 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.25

Shellfire needed to sink: 1079 kg = 39.8 x 12.5-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 0.8
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 70 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.27

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.72

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.45
Sharpness coefficient: 0.32
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 8.26
'Natural speed' for length = 17.4 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 57 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 88 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 135 percent


Displacement factor: 165 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.92
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 264 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.38
(for 4.30 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +1.18 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.01

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

303.40 x 32.47 x 11.15; 14.10 -- Dimensions
0.45 -- Block coefficient
1932 -- Year laid down
24.28 / 15000 / 12.00; Oil-fired turbine or equivalent -- Speed / radius / cruise
80 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
++++++++++
2 x 4.92; 1 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
:
4 x 1.38; 0 -- Secondary battery; turrets
Gun-shields
:
4 x 0.59 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
Gun-shields
:
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
++++++++++
0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
1.18 / 0.79 / 0.79 / 0.00 -- Battery armor


(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)


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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 5:16pm

Petty Officer Surinder Grival Class Submarine Tender

With the recent upswing in Indian pilgrims embarking on the Hajj to Mecca, Indian passenger ship lines are replacing their “older” ships with newer, larger, faster vessels capable of meeting the increased demand for service. As these new ships become available, the older ships are being sold for a song to local buyers - and the Bharatiya Nau Sena.

The Navy was able to negotiate the purchase of a quartet of decade-old liners previously owned by the M&J (Mumbai and Jiddah) Steamship Company as the company introduced new liners of ~11,000 t into service. These vessels are being refitted to function as submarine tenders, which involves the remodelling of recreational and cargo areas into workshops, storage areas, and torpedo magazines.

The tenders will be capable of housing the crews of up to a dozen typical coastal submarines (~40 men per boat) or a lesser number of ocean-going submarines. Limited flag and medical facilities are also provided.

Four vessels are slated for requisition and refitting between 1932 and 1934.




Grival, laid down 1922, refitted 1932

Length, 116.0 m x Beam, 18.4 m x Depth, 4.0 m
4734 tonnes normal displacement (3963 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 4 x 10.5-cm
Secondary battery: 8 x 3.5-cm
AA battery: 8 x 1.5-cm

Weight of broadside: 69 kg

Hull unarmored

Battery armor:
Main, 3.0 cm shields / secondary, 2.0 cm shields
AA, 2.0 cm shields

Maximum speed for 2397 shaft kw = 14.44 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 14000 nm / 12 knots

Typical complement: 285-371

Misc weight distribution:
-1100 t: Sub crew quarters (550 at 2 t each)
-50 t: Flag facilities
-50 t: Medical facilities
-200 t: Workshops
-400 t: Parts warehouse
-100 t: Stores and supplies (non-ordnance, fuel)
-40 t: Weight reserve


Estimated cost, $1.813 million (£453,000)

Remarks:

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.

Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 19 tonnes = 0 pct
Armor, total ..................... 11 tonnes = 0 pct

Armament 11 tonnes = 0 pct

Machinery ........................ 109 tonnes = 2 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 1777 tonnes = 38 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 878 tonnes = 19 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 1940 tonnes = 41 pct
-----
4734 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 0.8 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 3856 tonnes
Standard displacement: 3963 tonnes
Normal service: 4734 tonnes
Full load: 5332 tonnes

Loading submergence 1442 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.08

Shellfire needed to sink: 6245 kg = 390.1 x 10.5-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 2.7
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 80 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.03

Relative quality as a seaboat: 2.00

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.55
Sharpness coefficient: 0.40
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 6.93
'Natural speed' for length = 19.5 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 32 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 56 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 236 percent


Displacement factor: 204 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.91
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 361 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.85
(for 7.00 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +3.02 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.02

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

380.48 x 60.35 x 13.12; 22.96 -- Dimensions
0.55 -- Block coefficient
1922 -- Year laid down
14.44 / 14000 / 12.00; Oil-fired turbine or equivalent -- Speed / radius / cruise
1940 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
++++++++++
4 x 4.13; 0 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
Gun-shields
:
8 x 1.38; 0 -- Secondary battery; turrets
Gun-shields
:
8 x 0.59 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
Gun-shields
:
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
++++++++++
0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
1.18 / 0.79 / 0.79 / 0.00 -- Battery armor


(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)


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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 5:18pm

General Munaf Bindra Class Landing Ship (Infantry)

India’s continued experimentation with amphibious warfare techniques has led the Bharatiya Nau Sena to develop two ship types (Dhoni class command ship, and the landing craft (vehicle)) already. A third piece of the puzzle is the addition of dedicated transport ships for naval infantry units.

The Bindra was one of the vessels called up to military service during the Revolution and was regarded as being fairly effective in that role. Therefore the Navy chose to requisition this vessel for permanent conversion. She will be refitted to carry a battalion (~710 men) of naval infantry, including some cargo capacity for heavy weapons and ammunition, medical and training facilities. Eight landing craft are carried on heavy davits amidships.

One vessel is to be refitted into service in 1932.



Edit: armament now corresponds to pic

Bindra, laid down 1926

Length, 120.0 m x Beam, 19.0 m x Depth, 4.8 m
6508 tonnes normal displacement (5876 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 4 x 10.5-cm
Secondary battery: 12 x 3.5-cm

Weight of broadside: 71 kg

Hull unarmored

Battery armor:
Main, 3.0 cm shields / secondary, 2.0 cm shields


Maximum speed for 4999 shaft kw = 16.81 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 10000 nm / 12 knots

Miscellaneous Weight:
-1600 t for troop accomodation (= 800 troops)
-400 t for cargo
-200 t for medical and training facilities
-400 t for 8 x LCI
-400 t for heavy duty davits


Typical complement: 362-471


Estimated cost, $3.415 million (£854,000)

Remarks:

Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.

Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 20 tonnes = 0 pct
Armor, total ..................... 13 tonnes = 0 pct

Armament 13 tonnes = 0 pct

Machinery ........................ 214 tonnes = 3 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 2486 tonnes = 38 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 776 tonnes = 12 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 3000 tonnes = 46 pct
-----
6508 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 0.8 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 5733 tonnes
Standard displacement: 5876 tonnes
Normal service: 6508 tonnes
Full load: 6988 tonnes

Loading submergence 1614 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.04

Shellfire needed to sink: 7034 kg = 438.1 x 10.5-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 2.5
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 60 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.03

Relative quality as a seaboat: 2.00

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.59
Sharpness coefficient: 0.42
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 6.45
'Natural speed' for length = 19.8 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 40 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 64 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 238 percent


Displacement factor: 181 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.00
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 434 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 3.67
(for 8.00 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +3.76 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.14

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

393.60 x 62.32 x 15.74; 26.24 -- Dimensions
0.59 -- Block coefficient
1926 -- Year laid down
16.81 / 10000 / 12.00; Oil-fired turbine or equivalent -- Speed / radius / cruise
3000 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
++++++++++
4 x 4.13; 0 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
Gun-shields
:
12 x 1.38; 0 -- Secondary battery; turrets
Gun-shields
:
0 -- No tertiary (QF/AA) battery
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
++++++++++
0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
1.18 / 0.79 / 0.00 / 0.00 -- Battery armor


(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)


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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 5:21pm

Ahmadabad Class Cruiser (Light)

The two units of the Ahmadabad class have been designed specifically for the purpose of escorting the aircraft carrier Talwar, also being laid down this year. The ship is loosely based on the earlier Agra class, with a deeper and fuller hull form to allow for increase bunkerage while keeping the same maximum length (so that Type 2 slips and drydocks may be used for the class).

The ship retains the same main armament as the Agra class, while increasing the secondary battery to 12.5 cm dual-purpose guns. Two aircraft and a catapult are located amidships and it is expected that the two cruisers would assist Talwar in performing recce or search and rescue missions.

Thanks to Big Rich for the springsharp sim.



Ahmadabad, India CL laid down 1932

Displacement:
7,562 t light; 7,887 t standard (officially, 7,500 t); 9,292 t normal; 10,416 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
586.19 ft / 557.74 ft x 56.43 ft x 20.34 ft (normal load)
178.67 m / 170.00 m x 17.20 m x 6.20 m

Armament:
9 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (3x3 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
2 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (1x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
12 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 5 raised mounts
8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (2x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,539 lbs / 698 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.54" / 90 mm 347.77 ft / 106.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.54" / 90 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 3.54" / 90 mm
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.54" / 90 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 75,100 shp / 56,025 Kw = 32.35 kts
Range 20,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,529 tons

Complement:
473 - 615

Cost:
£3.348 million / $13.393 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 192 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 1,439 tons, 15.5 %
- Belts: 509 tons, 5.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 257 tons, 2.8 %
- Armour Deck: 640 tons, 6.9 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 2,217 tons, 23.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,612 tons, 38.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,730 tons, 18.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 102 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,809 lbs / 5,356 Kg = 114.7 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 15.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.508
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.88 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.95 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.57 ft / 8.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.24 ft / 6.17 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141.7 %
Waterplane Area: 21,971 Square feet or 2,041 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.70
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 5:44pm

Talwar Class Aircraft Carrier

India’s first effort at a purpose-built aircraft carrier, Urumi, was completed in mid-1927. The ship was intended to cooperate with the battle squadron, providing air defence, scouting, and a light strike capability. Whereas some other nations rushed ahead to build up their carrier force as quickly as possible, India instead filled out its battleline while gathering some operational experience with Urumi. During this time, the carrier was involved in several naval exercises and the Filipino Revolution. The Revolution saw her provide air defence to Indian naval forces, strike at Revolutionary light naval forces, and conduct ground attack and recce missions over land in support of the SATSUMA campaign to liberate Luzon in particular.

The Revolution demonstrated in particular a clear need to generate larger and more effective attacks against naval targets, and a more sustained ability to conduct operations supporting ground forces. Urumi’s small airgroup had constrained her in both regards; her limited flight deck space also made it difficult to spot a large attack force or operate torpedo-carrying aircraft. This confirmed the need to build a larger carrier than Urumi (which was important as there had been some consideration towards India building three additional small carriers). Talwar’s large size allows her to include two hangers plus a workshop forward of the upper hanger deck (in the drawing the area forward of the leading elevator). She is capable of taking on sixty aircraft, with an expectation of 24 fighters and 36 strike aircraft, including both Toofani scout-bombers and an as-yet unselected torpedo aircraft. Three elevators are provided, all offset from the centreline.

India expects the new carrier to operate primarily in the Indian Ocean, deploying elsewhere as requirements dictate. Two expected consequences - the low likelihood of a surface encounter, and the generally good weather - have driven the design of the ship's armor scheme and armament.

As Talwar can generally keep pace with most current heavy cruisers, any encounter with an enemy CA would likely take place at longer range - therefore, a thick armor deck is provided to protect against plunging 21 cm fire. The belt is thinner, and protects the ship's machinery and magazines from destroyer-calibre fire. There was little doubt that a torpedo bulkhead would be fitted to a ship of this size.

The hangers themselves are unprotected apart from internal fire screens (thick asbestos curtains) that can cut the hangers in three. The hangers are a light-weight structure above the armor deck, and can be opened to the outside via numerous shutters for dissapation of aircraft exhaust. In the minds of India's designers, this leaves the ship somewhat vulnerable to being "mission-killed", but allows for good performance in other areas of the design; besides which, the lightweight hangers should be amenable to rapid emergency repairs if the ship does survive the experience.

The armament is limited to 10.5 cm guns, sufficient to deal with enemy aircraft or lone destroyer-type ships that get in range. A large battery of light weapons is also included.

Talwar will be laid down in 1932; plans for a second unit have been deferred to 1934 as India evaluates the fate of the Cleito Treaty.

Thanks to Wes for the springsharp help; since the hull strength remains a bit higher than needed, the final design will likely add a bit of miscellaneous weight.

Thanks to Gavin for comments on hanger/elevator layout.



Edit: lower shutters are gone in this pic - see group pic if you're wondering what the difference is
Talwar, Indian Aircraft Carrier laid down 1932

Edit-Edit: Springsharp improved with Wes tacking on a transom, adding some speed and a few other knick-knacks.

Displacement:
16,017 t light; 16,478 t standard; 18,657 t normal; 20,401 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
695.37 ft / 684.38 ft x 81.69 ft x 23.36 ft (normal load)
211.95 m / 208.60 m x 24.90 m x 7.12 m

Armament:
16 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
28 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (14x2 guns), 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 603 lbs / 273 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.96" / 50 mm 467.00 ft / 142.34 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.96" / 50 mm 467.00 ft / 142.34 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.18" / 30 mm - -
2nd: 0.78" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.78" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.14" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 2.35" / 60 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 101,876 shp / 76,000 Kw = 31.87 kts
Range 20,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,924 tons

Complement:
797 - 1,037

Cost:
£4.750 million / $18.998 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 75 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 3,040 tons, 16.3 %
- Belts: 378 tons, 2.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 334 tons, 1.8 %
- Armament: 42 tons, 0.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,250 tons, 12.1 %
- Conning Tower: 36 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 3,007 tons, 16.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,975 tons, 32.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,641 tons, 14.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3,920 tons, 21.0 %
-3,600 t: 60 aircraft
-25 t: command facilities
-175 t: seven crated spare aircraft
-120 t: weight reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,770 lbs / 12,596 Kg = 786.2 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 4.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.18 ft / 9.20 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.77 ft / 6.33 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.77 ft / 6.33 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.77 ft / 6.33 m
- Stern: 20.77 ft / 6.33 m
- Average freeboard: 21.52 ft / 6.56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 192.3 %
Waterplane Area: 38,738 Square feet or 3,599 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 530 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.15
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 7:16pm

Like the Talwar, the Ahmadabad, and the L-5 class. Talwar would probably benefit from a transom, given the speed requirements of a carrier.

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 7:17pm

Beautiful work, Rocky.

Talwar's many sponsoned AA guns give her a bit of a Japanese look. She seems very capable on a limited tonnage.

General Binda looks exactly as I'd expect a converted merchantman to look for her role.

I like the idea of the sub tenders as a force multiplier. Will one be on station in Asir?

And I have to comment: A survey ship and an minelayer debuting at the same time... Seems like India is will be getting the most bang (pardon the pun) for its mine buck!!

I hope you'll share these with the Projects Board's own design forum. We don't get many auxiliaries, as you've said, or carriers as 'own designs'.

Regards,

Rich

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 7:31pm

Quaint, I thought we had a transom there.

[SIZE=3]Wesley![/SIZE]

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 7:55pm

L-5 seems reasonable for the task. I might want a 76mm gun instead of the 35mm just to give more flexibility. Diesel, reciprocating or turbine? Probably best in going with the low maintenance and low-speed reciprocating. Speed of 20knts might be too high, well not especially needed.

The submarine tender is probably too small when compared to similar RN ships that were between 6000-12000tons. The larger RN ships actually had a TDS, for what reason I've never known. I'm not sure on the looks of either civilian vessel.

There are some drawings of contemporary merchant vessels here which should give some inspiration.

Ahmadabad looks nice. The heavy 125mm armament is questionable when added with the 150mm guns. I'd seriously consider ditching a few of them for more 150mm guns. Maybe space for another triple aft. I'd also want a beamier hull to deal with the extra topweight of the 125mm guns.

Talwar looks as good as before :) Are those shutters for the lower hangar? You definitely don't want them. Too close to the seaway. I'd also expect them to be a bit higher. What height are the hangars? 4.5m or so?

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 8:11pm

I'd be happy with reciprocating engines on L-5 but springstyle isn't asking me for input there. The speed is probably higher than necessaray, but not unreasonably so. Point taken on the gun, I'll mull it over.

So long as the merchies look like merchies, even ugly ones, I'm okay with that. As for size, it's possible the RN ships are designed to handle larger flocks. I do belive there were a few RN and USN sub tenders in this size range; I'll check my sources.

What's the consensus on the shutters on the lower hanger? I believe the floor to floor height of the hanger deck is 16' so perhaps 14-15' usable height. That'd be 4.3 to 4.6 metres.

I considered fitting Ahmadabad with 10.5 cm secondaries but preferred a heavier battery so they lend an effective ASuW punch as well as doing the AA work. This was less of an issue with the carrier, hence the 10.5 cm there.

That said, follow-up designs to Ahmadabad do include 4x3 15 cm variants.

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 8:19pm

Quoted

Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
Quaint, I thought we had a transom there.

[SIZE=3]Wesley![/SIZE]


*Ahem* did you post the right design? There where multipull variants!!
*looks at his SS files* None have the transom so heres the final variant (G), with a Transom.

Talwar, Indian Aircraft Carrier laid down 1932

Displacement:
16,017 t light; 16,478 t standard; 18,657 t normal; 20,401 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
695.13 ft / 684.38 ft x 81.69 ft x 23.36 ft (normal load)
211.88 m / 208.60 m x 24.90 m x 7.12 m

Armament:
16 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
28 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (14x2 guns), 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 603 lbs / 273 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.96" / 50 mm 492.00 ft / 149.96 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.96" / 50 mm 492.00 ft / 149.96 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.18" / 30 mm - -
2nd: 0.78" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.78" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.14" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 1.96" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 97,375 shp / 72,642 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 20,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,924 tons

Complement:
797 - 1,037

Cost:
£4.665 million / $18.660 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 75 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 3,068 tons, 16.4 %
- Belts: 395 tons, 2.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 351 tons, 1.9 %
- Armament: 42 tons, 0.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,250 tons, 12.1 %
- Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 2,874 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,324 tons, 33.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,641 tons, 14.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3,675 tons, 19.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28,675 lbs / 13,007 Kg = 811.8 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.11 ft / 6.13 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.11 ft / 6.13 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.11 ft / 6.13 m
- Stern: 20.11 ft / 6.13 m
- Average freeboard: 20.86 ft / 6.36 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 186.2 %
Waterplane Area: 38,738 Square feet or 3,599 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 142 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 565 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.06
- Longitudinal: 1.18
- Overall: 1.08
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 8:38pm

L5 looks good, I'd say that 20knots is a bit fast for this type of ship, but it does give it some chance of escaping if suprised.

Sri Pada is a good looking ship, and is of a type sorely lacking in Nordmarks Navy. I'm unsure whether the catapult would be much use in all but dead flat conditions.

Bindra has a good story behind her and is a sensible size ship for the task.

Talwar is a very nice ship, and will certainly bring India onto a par with the other navies of the world in terms of Carrier Design.

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 10:27pm

*bows* Your ship-fu is strong and humbles us all, Sensei.

I agree that the ML is a little speedy. I would suggest M.A.N.O. diesels, but supply would depend on whether or not Rizal City runs up the "Q" flag...

The frigate is great; for some reason I especially like the AA layout.

Good to see some auxiliaries. One minor issue, the armament in Bindra's pic doesn't match the sim (+2 105mm and +4 35mm).

I'll disagree with Gavin with regards to the cruisers; heavy secondary armament is one thing I like, the Psi mount is especially good.

The carrier is muy excellente. (Even if the 15mm guns should be simmed as Buzzsaws... ;-) )

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 10:39pm

Hopefully I can engage Wes with a bit more work on Talwar's specs. I'd wager some improvements can be made there. We can get those buzzsaws done, no worry there.

Good catch on Bindra, Swampy, I'll figure out whether to revise the drawing or the 'style.

The speed on L-5 is a hold-over from the version designed as a sub chaser. If anything larger than a rubber dinghy surprises her while she's got those mines aboard, she's f****d.

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 10:43pm

I also think the heavy secondaries on the cruiser are well placed. The shutters for the lower carrier deck however I´d remove....

I like the way you explained the reasoning behind your designs. They´re all well suited for their tasks (even without going to extremes).

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Wednesday, July 26th 2006, 11:02pm

Thanks; I do like to lay out some background for why I do stuff.

Guess those shutters are being welded shut...

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Thursday, July 27th 2006, 12:22am

Rich:

I've posted some designs to the Warship Projects board in the context of a "Phibron" thread. Might get to the other stuff later.

Folks: Talwar's specs are now revised in the original thread, as Wes as done some tinkering for me. Speed's up 0.4 knots, freeboard and miscellaneous weight are up a bit as well. Bindra's specs also modified to account for the armament, but you're probably not as interested in her.

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Thursday, July 27th 2006, 2:49am

I like them all, especially Sri Pada and Ahmadabad. The aircraft on both of them will be quite useful, and Agra is an excellent example of a clean, well-balanced CL IMHO.

Talwar is good looking and powerful, an excellent combination. :)