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Monday, March 15th 2004, 12:35am

overgrown cruisers ...

I did this for some lazy exercise - unlikely ever to happen.

Matador, Iberia Armoured Cruiser laid down 1930

Displacement:
27,775 t light; 29,196 t standard; 31,834 t normal; 33,816 t full load
Loading submergence 1,430 tons/feet

Dimensions:
803.81 ft x 98.43 ft x 27.89 ft (normal load)
245.00 m x 30.00 m x 8.50 m

Armament:
8 - 12.60" / 320 mm guns (2 Main turrets x 4 guns)
20 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (10 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
12 - 2.24" / 57 mm AA guns
16 - 0.53" / 14 mm guns
Weight of broadside 9,408 lbs / 4,267 kg
12 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
Belt 9.84" / 250 mm, ends unarmoured
Belts cover 93 % of normal area
Main belt does not fully protect magazines and engineering spaces
Main turrets 9.84" / 250 mm, 2nd turrets 3.15" / 80 mm
AA gun shields 0.79" / 20 mm
Armour deck 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 201,281 shp / 150,155 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts

Complement:
1,191 - 1,549

Cost:
£11.767 million / $47.069 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,176 tons, 3.7 %
Armour: 6,329 tons, 19.9 %
Belts: 2,384 tons, 7.5 %, Armament: 1,994 tons, 6.3 %, Armour Deck: 1,823 tons, 5.7 %
Conning Tower: 128 tons, 0.4 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 6,099 tons, 19.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,170 tons, 41.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,058 tons, 12.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1,000 tons, 3.1 %

Metacentric height 5.9

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.10
Shellfire needed to sink: 37,122 lbs / 16,838 Kg = 37.1 x 12.6 " / 320 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 3.1
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 70 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.50
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.505
Sharpness coefficient: 0.36
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.76
'Natural speed' for length: 28.35 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim: 64
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 94.4 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 170.9 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 110 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.97
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 176 lbs / square foot or 859 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.26
(for 24.61 ft / 7.50 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 5.52 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.00


HoOmAn

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Monday, March 15th 2004, 11:07am

Overgrown - indeed....

This can hardly be called a cruiser I think. It´s an old-fashioned BC I think - fast, decent armament for its size but weak armor - relatively speaking.

Given that she is 1500ts larger than a DUNKERQUE and the latter is heavier armed and better protected I question the value of your design. Sure, she damn fast but a single shell or torpedo can ruin her day by slowing her down...and planes she´ll never outpace of course. Sure, you´ve a really heavy DP- and AA-armament and close to all good comments available in spring* what sounds impressive but you achieved this by using a overly (overgrown?) large hull and a very low bc given the ships overall size and tonnage. This is an old problem with spring*: a large hull combined with a low bc allows unrealistic good designs on relatively small displacements.

Why too short a belt?
I also wonder what those 1000ts misc weight are for? I guess to compensate the additional weight of the diesels used?

However, it is an interesting design and a real cruiser-killer. No CA or CL could hope to stand a chance.

Keep ´em coming,

HoOmAn

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Monday, March 15th 2004, 4:48pm

Now this is a real kick-ass battlecruiser :)


Powerful, Battlecruiser laid down 1936

Displacement:
36,768 t light; 38,305 t standard; 40,811 t normal; 42,653 t full load
Loading submergence 1,697 tons/feet

Dimensions:
867.50 ft x 105.00 ft x 29.70 ft (normal load)
264.41 m x 32.00 m x 9.05 m

Armament:
9 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
12 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (6 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
32 - 1.56" / 40 mm AA guns
Weight of broadside 8,642 lbs / 3,920 kg

Armour:
Belt 7.00" / 178 mm, ends unarmoured
Belts cover 107 % of normal area
Main turrets 9.50" / 241 mm
Armour deck 5.00" / 127 mm, Conning tower 3.00" / 76 mm
Torpedo bulkhead 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 289,362 shp / 215,864 Kw = 36.00 kts
Range 4,500nm at 20.00 kts

Complement:
1,435 - 1,866

Cost:
£17.563 million / $70.253 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,080 tons, 2.6 %
Armour: 11,192 tons, 27.4 %
Belts: 2,172 tons, 5.3 %, Armament: 2,211 tons, 5.4 %, Armour Deck: 5,492 tons, 13.5 %
Conning Tower: 77 tons, 0.2 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 1,239 tons, 3.0 %
Machinery: 8,119 tons, 19.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,377 tons, 40.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,043 tons, 9.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Metacentric height 6.7

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.12
Shellfire needed to sink: 43,471 lbs / 19,718 Kg = 50.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 5.2
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 71 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.43
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.528
Sharpness coefficient: 0.36
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.71
'Natural speed' for length: 29.45 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim: 62
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 105.6 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 236.4 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 113 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.97
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 180 lbs / square foot or 881 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.34
(for 30.00 ft / 9.14 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 9.94 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.00

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Monday, March 15th 2004, 5:09pm

well, if ever built she would not try and shoot it out with a BB, that'd be suicidal. and yes I know she is a fisherite BC.
the weight is there to compensate for diesel and electrics ...

as I said unlikely ever to happen, but a certain entertainment value ....