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ok these ships would take 4 quarters to build, so I could proly afford to build a couple while paying off my BCs (be impressed I managed to think small)

I put 176 tons of misc. weight on them. mostly because I didnt know what I was considerd "standard equipment" in WW and there were some things I just wanted to have. As always Opinions Welcomed.

CLX, Peru Light Cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
4,000 t light; 4,145 t standard; 4,888 t normal; 5,483 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
506.00 ft / 494.00 ft x 45.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
154.23 m / 150.57 m x 13.72 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (4x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (2x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (1x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (2x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all aft
Weight of broadside 540 lbs / 245 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 363.00 ft / 110.64 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 48,405 shp / 36,110 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,338 tons

Complement:
291 - 379

Cost:
£2.097 million / $8.390 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 68 tons, 1.4 %
Armour: 776 tons, 15.9 %
- Belts: 441 tons, 9.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 49 tons, 1.0 %
- Armour Deck: 268 tons, 5.5 %
- Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,342 tons, 27.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,639 tons, 33.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 888 tons, 18.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 176 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,704 lbs / 2,134 Kg = 75.3 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 13.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.428
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.98 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.41 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (21.00 ft / 6.40 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (10 %): 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Stern: 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Average freeboard: 17.45 ft / 5.32 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.7 %
Waterplane Area: 14,468 Square feet or 1,344 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 303 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.75
- Longitudinal: 1.61
- Overall: 0.81
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

176 tons Misc. Weight
100 tons FC
50 tons Radar
12 tons torps
11 tons Crew Comfort
2 tons Capitans Quarters

Actually, you're buying another CL and some DDs from India. Let me find the Indian Q1 report...

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Actually, you're buying another CL and some DDs from India. Let me find the Indian Q1 report...

are you realy sure DF wasnt the Previous Peru player...

Here we go. Peru needs to pay India 5,200 tons in Q1/37 in order to pay 3,000 tons for the Almirante Villar and 2,200 tons for the purchase and refit of Pondicherry. You'll have to ask Perdedor if Howard left you any further commitments to pay for as Peru.

As to the cruiser, why 5"? Peru only uses 105mm and 150mm guns at the moment; do you really want to add another in-between caliber if you don't have to? And what's the 2" AA gun from? Existing ships use 88mm and 40mm. Also, you have 23.6" / 600mm torpedoes already in service, and 21.0" / 533.4mm torpedoes, but no 20.8" torpedoes.

Overall I think the design's good but not really spectacular, though it easily meets my own stability/steadiness design goals and would make a good convoy escort.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
As to the cruiser, why 5"? Peru only uses 105mm and 150mm guns at the moment; do you really want to add another in-between caliber if you don't have to? And what's the 2" AA gun from? Existing ships use 88mm and 40mm

105mm (4" call it) isnt big enough for most anti ship work

150mm (6" call it) is to damn big to be a Effective quick fire gun imho

5" is just right as far as im concernd

2" because its the same ship I use in the Nverse and I didnt feal like diging to find out what my AA Caliber was (I use 2" AA guns there)

any ship actualy built in Peru (or built/modified for us after the curent new constructions) will be SAE instead of Metric (mostly cause I hate things like 12.01" main guns)

Your AA calibers are 88mm and 40mm, overwhelmingly.

I hear you on the caliber issues. I got a real smattering of calibers in my fleet: 100mm, 105mm, 109mm, 110mm, 127mm, 130mm, 150mm... Erf. I'm basically putting 110mm on all my refits, 130mm on my destroyers, and 150mm on my light cruisers.

there switched to 40 mm on the aa guns ^.^

CLX, Peru Light Cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
4,000 t light; 4,142 t standard; 4,885 t normal; 5,480 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
506.00 ft / 494.00 ft x 45.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
154.23 m / 150.57 m x 13.72 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (4x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all aft
Weight of broadside 520 lbs / 236 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 363.00 ft / 110.64 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 48,380 shp / 36,092 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,338 tons

Complement:
291 - 379

Cost:
£2.085 million / $8.340 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 65 tons, 1.3 %
Armour: 773 tons, 15.8 %
- Belts: 441 tons, 9.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 46 tons, 0.9 %
- Armour Deck: 268 tons, 5.5 %
- Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,341 tons, 27.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,645 tons, 33.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 885 tons, 18.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 176 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,789 lbs / 2,172 Kg = 76.6 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 13.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.427
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.98 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.41 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (21.00 ft / 6.40 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (10 %): 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Stern: 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Average freeboard: 17.45 ft / 5.32 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.7 %
Waterplane Area: 14,465 Square feet or 1,344 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 304 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.75
- Longitudinal: 1.62
- Overall: 0.81
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

176 tons Misc. Weight
100 tons FC
50 tons Radar
12 tons torps
11 tons Crew Comfort
2 tons Capitans Quarters

If you're looking for the largest weapon that can be quick-firing (ie, fixed rounds), 5" is probably too large for that. Historically, most 5" weapons were separate-loading, ie, the projectile and the propellent were loaded separately. The exceptions, before the modern Mk 42 and 45 5" guns, were the US 5"/25 low-velocity AA weapon and the German SK C/41 12.8cm/45, which was never fielded and may well have proved in service to have too heavy a round (at 108 pounds, it WAS too heavy unless there was lots of power-assist in the mountings). The British 4.5" QF gun was found in service to have too heavy a fixed round, as well, at 87-92 pounds.

Agreed, though, that the 105mm is too small for a cruiser.


Also, you'll probably want to increase the beam a bit, otherwise when Hoo sees it he'll howl about the BC.....

Your're paying 2200 tons for the purchase and refit of the Pondicherry in Q1 1937. IIRC you will own 1964 tons in Q2 1937 for three destroyers and their refits.

Fixed the few minor errors pointed out in the other thread (got rid of the casemates), its imho a better all around ship than the one curently under construction in India (stupid question since im in AEGIS why are my ships being built in India?)

Almirante Guise, Peru Light Battleship laid down 1937

Displacement:
24,400 t light; 25,400 t standard; 27,225 t normal; 28,685 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
734.00 ft / 717.00 ft x 95.60 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
223.72 m / 218.54 m x 29.14 m x 9.14 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
16 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (8x2 guns), 52.72lbs / 23.92kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (2x2 guns), 52.72lbs / 23.92kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, majority forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,980 lbs / 3,620 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 430.00 ft / 131.06 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 2.00" / 51 mm 430.00 ft / 131.06 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 430.00 ft / 131.06 m 26.35 ft / 8.03 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
5th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 98,481 shp / 73,467 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,284 tons

Complement:
1,059 - 1,377

Cost:
£11.313 million / $45.250 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 997 tons, 3.7 %
Armour: 9,558 tons, 35.1 %
- Belts: 3,875 tons, 14.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 629 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 2,291 tons, 8.4 %
- Armour Deck: 2,550 tons, 9.4 %
- Conning Tower: 214 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,730 tons, 10.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,014 tons, 40.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,825 tons, 10.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
46,124 lbs / 20,921 Kg = 53.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 7.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 18.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.463
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.46 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (70 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 21.60 ft / 6.58 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181.8 %
Waterplane Area: 45,941 Square feet or 4,268 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 170 lbs/sq ft or 829 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.47
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight: 100 tons
50 tons Flag Facilities
25 Aircraft Facilities

Probably because Peru and India have a pretty good relationship as far as buyer-supplier goes dating back to when Peru purchased Huascar from India. That's an older relationship than Peru being in AEGIS, the same is true with all the German gear that Peru has.

Peru wasn't a full member of AEGIS at the time the deal was sealed plus they had deals with India before so it made sense somehow. My plan was to match the Villars at 32 knots with the Almirante Grau to create a Fast Division. I sacrificed some things to reach the desired speed.

You're Peru now. I think the Villar and Grau could complement each other somehow (both being 32 knots with very similar capabilities IIRC) while you pursue other designs in regard to the Guise. Very nice design for the Guise

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Originally posted by perdedor99
Peru wasn't a full member of AEGIS at the time the deal was sealed plus they had deals with India before so it made sense somehow. My plan was to match the Villars at 32 knots with the Almirante Grau to create a Fast Division. I sacrificed some things to reach the desired speed.

You're Peru now. I think the Villar and Grau could complement each other somehow (both being 32 knots with very similar capabilities IIRC) while you pursue other designs in regard to the Guise. Very nice design for the Guise

thanks Per, imho wouldnt 2 more 9X10" ships to operate with Villars have made more sence (just looking at it from a cost perspective and 2 9X10" would have ben about the same coast as the 8X12" ships)

SATSUMA and AEGIS are not precisely at each other's throats, but they are wary of each other. Most of the hot rhetoric is exchanged between the Netherlands and India due to past conflicts.

Several countries have traditionally better relationships than represented by their overall alliances' relationships. For instance, the close relationship between Peru and India - at the same time Peru severed relationships with Persia after a tiff, and Peru and Japan have exchanged a few barbs. Siam and China have worked together in the past, too.

Mexico, a member of NATO, works with the Philippines and has naval ties to India and Japan, but I wouldn't call NATO and SATSUMA friendly. FAR and SATSUMA seem to be wary of each other but respectful, with the exception being Persia's constant saber-rattling against Russia, and accusations of Turkey being FAR's puppet.

And personally, I wouldn't have it any other way. I *like* to chat with the SATSUMA boys on occasion, because if I get too wrapped up talking only to members of my own alliance, I find I view people less as fellow gamers playing an opponent and more as enemies, which is an unhealthy and dangerous attitude.

So I WANT to see Peru continue it's relationship in some form with other alliances (such as relationships with India), because I see it as a pressure release valve both on in-character international politics, and out-of-character interpersonal relationships.

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Originally posted by Tanthalas

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Originally posted by perdedor99
Peru wasn't a full member of AEGIS at the time the deal was sealed plus they had deals with India before so it made sense somehow. My plan was to match the Villars at 32 knots with the Almirante Grau to create a Fast Division. I sacrificed some things to reach the desired speed.

You're Peru now. I think the Villar and Grau could complement each other somehow (both being 32 knots with very similar capabilities IIRC) while you pursue other designs in regard to the Guise. Very nice design for the Guise

thanks Per, imho wouldnt 2 more 9X10" ships to operate with Villars have made more sence (just looking at it from a cost perspective and 2 9X10" would have ben about the same coast as the 8X12" ships)

True in the economic sense, but it was something called the Capitan Oyama looming south of us that also made up my mind.

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Originally posted by perdedor99

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Originally posted by Tanthalas

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Originally posted by perdedor99
Peru wasn't a full member of AEGIS at the time the deal was sealed plus they had deals with India before so it made sense somehow. My plan was to match the Villars at 32 knots with the Almirante Grau to create a Fast Division. I sacrificed some things to reach the desired speed.

You're Peru now. I think the Villar and Grau could complement each other somehow (both being 32 knots with very similar capabilities IIRC) while you pursue other designs in regard to the Guise. Very nice design for the Guise

thanks Per, imho wouldnt 2 more 9X10" ships to operate with Villars have made more sence (just looking at it from a cost perspective and 2 9X10" would have ben about the same coast as the 8X12" ships)

True in the economic sense, but it was something called the Capitan Oyama looming south of us that also made up my mind.

True, but where Chile has 9 factories, and Peru only has 4(still protesting to get my 1Ktons back) we cant realy afford to match them ship for ship, therefore we have to be Creative. More Bang for the Buck has almost got to be a mantra for us...

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Originally posted by Brockpaine


Several countries have traditionally better relationships than represented by their overall alliances' relationships. For instance, the close relationship between Peru and India - at the same time Peru severed relationships with Persia after a tiff, and Peru and Japan have exchanged a few barbs. Siam and China have worked together in the past, too.

Mexico, a member of NATO, works with the Philippines and has naval ties to India and Japan, but I wouldn't call NATO and SATSUMA friendly. FAR and SATSUMA seem to be wary of each other but respectful, with the exception being Persia's constant saber-rattling against Russia, and accusations of Turkey being FAR's puppet.

And personally, I wouldn't have it any other way. I *like* to chat with the SATSUMA boys on occasion, because if I get too wrapped up talking only to members of my own alliance, I find I view people less as fellow gamers playing an opponent and more as enemies, which is an unhealthy and dangerous attitude.

The Peru-Persian relationship is a bit of a mystery there were some plans for joint exercises and developments which suddenly changed..

Persia is largely neutral towards AEGIS good relations with Denmark, fair with Siam and not good at all with the UKN because of their involvement in Saudi Arabia.

As for FAR (and those perceived as their puppet regimes), Persia for obvious reasons resent them. But Sabrerattling against Russia?

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Originally posted by Tanthalas
thanks Per, imho wouldnt 2 more 9X10" ships to operate with Villars have made more sence (just looking at it from a cost perspective and 2 9X10" would have ben about the same coast as the 8X12" ships)

I don't think it would. The Villars are designed to beat the Chilean Oyamas, which are also 9x10".

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Originally posted by perdedor99
True in the economic sense, but it was something called the Capitan Oyama looming south of us that also made up my mind.

Quite understandable, and I agree.

The Villar traded speed for firepower and more armour, which I think is more valuable in any sort of duel. The Villars would be an overmatch against the Oyamas: fast enough to be competitive, heavy enough guns and armour to win. Both intermediate capital ships with a different emphasis. But the Oyamas serve a different purpose within the Chilean Navy than the Villars will serve in the Peruvian Navy.

One question I note about the new Guise design. The switch from 2x4 to 4x2 is interesting, but why have you selected a Q turret? Why aren't the turrets on the ends?

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One question I note about the new Guise design. The switch from 2x4 to 4x2 is interesting, but why have you selected a Q turret? Why aren't the turrets on the ends?

good catch, it was another leftover from Navalisim Glad you noticed it as I had compleatly forgoten that the Independance class had a Q turret instead of being at the ends

managed to shave a few hundred more tons off her, and switched to quads (actualy dual twins like the brits and french used) so she should look more like her half sister.

Almirante Guise, Peru Light Battleship laid down 1937

Displacement:
24,100 t light; 25,096 t standard; 26,908 t normal; 28,358 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
735.00 ft / 717.00 ft x 95.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
224.03 m / 218.54 m x 28.96 m x 9.14 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x4 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
16 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (8x2 guns), 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (2x2 guns), 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,995 lbs / 3,626 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 430.00 ft / 131.06 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 430.00 ft / 131.06 m 26.35 ft / 8.03 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
5th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 124,771 shp / 93,079 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,262 tons

Complement:
1,049 - 1,365

Cost:
£11.821 million / $47.283 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 999 tons, 3.7 %
Armour: 8,404 tons, 31.2 %
- Belts: 3,573 tons, 13.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 629 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 1,480 tons, 5.5 %
- Armour Deck: 2,528 tons, 9.4 %
- Conning Tower: 193 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 3,458 tons, 12.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,138 tons, 41.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,808 tons, 10.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
42,308 lbs / 19,191 Kg = 49.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 16.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.461
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.55 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.45 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 26.00 ft / 7.92 m (23.00 ft / 7.01 m aft of break)
- Mid (70 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Average freeboard: 23.75 ft / 7.24 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 190.2 %
Waterplane Area: 45,554 Square feet or 4,232 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 169 lbs/sq ft or 825 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.69
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight: 100 tons
50 tons Flag Facilities
25 Aircraft Facilities
25 tons Devision armor on MB