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This is the GREEK Battlecruiser " VASILEFS GEORGIOS A" laid down 1936 and deliverd 17 months later.
One more ship of the same class deliverd 2 years later.



RHNS VASILEFS GEORGIOS A, GREECE BATTLECRUISER

Displacement:
24.892 t light; 26.174 t standard; 28.043 t normal; 29.539 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
689,29 ft / 662,73 ft x 88,58 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
210,10 m / 202,00 m x 27,00 m x 8,00 m

Armament:
9 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
26 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8.460 lbs / 3.837 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Ship can carry 2 Supermarine Walrus MkI hydroplanes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 9,00 ft / 2,74 m
Ends: 5,00" / 127 mm 220,00 ft / 67,06 m 9,00 ft / 2,74 m
Main Belt covers 116% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3,00" / 76 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 6,00 ft / 1,83 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 8,00" / 203 mm 6,00" / 152 mm
2nd: 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 8,00" / 203 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 130.658 shp / 97.471 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 8.000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3.366 tons

Complement:
1.083 - 1.408

Cost:
£11,984 million / $47,934 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.057 tons, 3,8%
Armour: 10.880 tons, 38,8%
- Belts: 2.251 tons, 8,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 333 tons, 1,2%
- Armament: 1.560 tons, 5,6%
- Armour Deck: 6.577 tons, 23,5%
- Conning Tower: 159 tons, 0,6%
Machinery: 3.666 tons, 13,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9.289 tons, 33,1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.152 tons, 11,2%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
39.482 lbs / 17.909 Kg = 45,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 5,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
Metacentric height 4,8 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 17,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,86
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,637
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,48 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Forecastle (18%): 31,17 ft / 9,50 m
- Mid (70%): 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 19,03 ft / 5,80 m
- Stern: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 28,05 ft / 8,55 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 226,6%
Waterplane Area: 44.438 Square feet or 4.128 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 684 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,80
- Longitudinal: 1,52
- Overall: 0,85
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Ships of the class:
RHNS VASILEFS GEORGIOS A
RHNS VASILISSA OLGA

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Originally posted by Navarchos
- Armour deck: 8,00" / 203 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

HOLY CARP!

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Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,80
- Longitudinal: 1,52
- Overall: 0,85

Ahhh... that's why.

It's too bad the overall strength is under 1.00. This ship, or something similar, would have fit well under Bulgaria's treaty limits (no capital ships of over 25,000 tons light). Now, I wonder if I can make it Wesworld-rules-friendly...

Hm, yes, let's try this!

The vertical armor protection on the first was rather lamentable; it lacked height, and the TDS was rather shallow (only six feet!). I covered more of the hull with slightly less armor, and brought the deck armor down to 4.5", which I think is about right for a ship of this size.

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RHNS VASILEFS GEORGIOS, Greek Battlecruiser laid down 1936

Displacement:
24,332 t light; 25,600 t standard; 27,339 t normal; 28,730 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
679.45 ft / 662.73 ft x 88.58 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
207.10 m / 202.00 m x 27.00 m x 8.00 m

Armament:
9 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
20 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
26 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8,461 lbs / 3,838 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 25.00 ft / 7.62 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 4.50" / 114 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 109,505 shp / 81,690 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,130 tons

Complement:
1,062 - 1,381

Cost:
£11.443 million / $45.772 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,058 tons, 3.9 %
Armour: 9,042 tons, 33.1 %
- Belts: 2,929 tons, 10.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 694 tons, 2.5 %
- Armament: 1,619 tons, 5.9 %
- Armour Deck: 3,801 tons, 13.9 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 3,073 tons, 11.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,960 tons, 40.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,007 tons, 11.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
51,048 lbs / 23,155 Kg = 59.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 7.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 16.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.83
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.621
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.48 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.68 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 31.17 ft / 9.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.03 ft / 5.80 m (29.53 ft / 9.00 m before break)
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 28.71 ft / 8.75 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 244.9 %
Waterplane Area: 45,654 Square feet or 4,241 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 164 lbs/sq ft or 801 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 1.95
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weights:
- 100 tons for planes and catapult
- 100 tons for radar and growth

Nice drawing !!

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Originally posted by parador
Nice drawing !!

I agree. She has overtones of Scharnhorst, which IMHO is never a bad thing.

Yes, i like the Scharnhorst too .

May be China could buy the blueprints

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Originally posted by parador
Yes, i like the Scharnhorst too.

It was a book on Scharnhorst and Gniesenau which first got me interested in WWII-era warships. They hold a very close place to my heart, in a way no other IRL ships ever have, or doubtless ever will.

I feel the same way. My first ship model was the Scharnhorst and so i find the way to the WW2-era warships. Okay, she is not a good battle ship, on the contrary actually rather low on the chest - BUT nevertheless i love her

Thanks for your sugestions I thing now it's better!


RHNS VASILEFS GEORGIOS A, GREECE BATTLECRUISER laid down 1936

Displacement:
22.028 t light; 23.246 t standard; 24.874 t normal; 26.176 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
689,29 ft / 662,73 ft x 88,58 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
210,10 m / 202,00 m x 27,00 m x 8,00 m

Armament:
9 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
26 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (20 mounts), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8.461 lbs / 3.838 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Ship can carry 2 Supermarine Walrus MkI hydroplanes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 200,00 ft / 60,96 m 9,00 ft / 2,74 m
Main Belt covers 116% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3,00" / 76 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 9,00 ft / 2,74 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 6,00" / 152 mm
2nd: 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
4th: 1,00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4,00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 4,00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 100.452 shp / 74.937 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 8.000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2.929 tons

Complement:
989 - 1.287

Cost:
£10,830 million / $43,321 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.058 tons, 4,3%
Armour: 7.434 tons, 29,9%
- Belts: 2.202 tons, 8,9%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 500 tons, 2,0%
- Armament: 1.457 tons, 5,9%
- Armour Deck: 3.202 tons, 12,9%
- Conning Tower: 73 tons, 0,3%
Machinery: 2.819 tons, 11,3%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10.708 tons, 43,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.846 tons, 11,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
43.938 lbs / 19.930 Kg = 50,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04
Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
Roll period: 17,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,96
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,29

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,565
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,48 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29,86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Forecastle (18%): 31,17 ft / 9,50 m
- Mid (70%): 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 19,03 ft / 5,80 m
- Stern: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 28,05 ft / 8,55 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,9%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 241,7%
Waterplane Area: 43.273 Square feet or 4.020 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 818 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,93
- Longitudinal: 1,98
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Ships of the class :
RHNS VASILEFS GEORGIOS A
RHNS VASILISSA OLGA

Better, very much so.

It's interesting to compare and contrast the most recent design with a similarly-sized vessel my Chilean predecessor designed - the Capitan Oyama class. The Oyama has the same deck and belt armor - but no end armor and no TDS - and the guns are 9x10"; but the Oyama has an extra 3.5 knots of speed.

While it is a nice drawing (well done!) I still don´t buy the stats. A TDS of 2,74m buys you nothing. We are not talking depth here but height and normally a TDS should cover the hull from the bottom plating to the armored deck which is at waterplane level minimum. So with a draught of 8m she also should hae a TDS of 8m.

I also don´t buy the statement she can be build in 17 month. Unrealistic with OTL physics in place (except for pre-manufactored parts probably, and way below WW building times which would be 31 month.

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
While it is a nice drawing (well done!) I still don´t buy the stats. A TDS of 2,74m buys you nothing. We are not talking depth here but height and normally a TDS should cover the hull from the bottom plating to the armored deck which is at waterplane level minimum. So with a draught of 8m she also should hae a TDS of 8m.

I tend to set my TDS height as one foot less than draught, because...

...because.

Well, some historcial TDS did not extend through a double bottom - which later turned out not to be very clever.

Lovely ship
Do you use photobucket now?
If you upload ad one megabuyte full size perhpas he'll be bigger?

I use imageshack for the moment, but this time this program didn't upload this drawing with it's original size as I ask ! I don't now why!

Check upload options??

Hi friend
If you send the Original image to my email warshipsresearch@live.nl just feel free
I can help you with the size?