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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 2:20am

New Peruvian Ships - 1940/1941

A little coastal minesweeper with basic ASW capability. Potentially looking at one per year indefinitely.

A-1, laid down 1941

Displacement:
500 t light; 517 t standard; 551 t normal; 578 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
167.67 ft / 161.09 ft x 26.25 ft x 9.12 ft (normal load)
51.11 m / 49.10 m x 8.00 m x 2.78 m

Armament:
1 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1941 Model
Dual purpose gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1941 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1941 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft
Weight of broadside 39 lbs / 18 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -
3rd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,400 shp / 1,044 Kw = 15.57 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 62 tons)

Complement:
56 - 73

Cost:
£0.165 million / $0.662 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5 tons, 0.9 %
Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 37 tons, 6.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 371 tons, 67.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 51 tons, 9.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 84 tons, 15.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,610 lbs / 730 Kg = 45.6 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.69 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 18.70 ft / 5.70 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.75 ft / 4.80 m (7.87 ft / 2.40 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
- Stern: 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
- Average freeboard: 12.05 ft / 3.67 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 46.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.3 %
Waterplane Area: 2,817 Square feet or 262 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 276 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 318 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.58
- Longitudinal: 14.59
- Overall: 1.97
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 2:31am

...and a little submarine chaser/patrol craft. Hull strength's high, but that's because I can't stick much misc. weight or crank the speed higher without doing bad things to the seakeeping and stability.

We're contemplating two per year for a while. Uses up a Type 0 slip and loose change in materials.

S-7, laid down 1941

Displacement:
218 t light; 225 t standard; 262 t normal; 292 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
126.58 ft / 123.03 ft x 19.69 ft x 6.89 ft (normal load)
38.58 m / 37.50 m x 6.00 m x 2.10 m

Armament:
2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1941 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1941 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 4 lbs / 2 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 800

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,200 shp / 895 Kw = 16.15 kts
Range 2,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 67 tons)

Complement:
32 - 42

Cost:
£0.077 million / $0.308 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 32 tons, 12.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 166 tons, 63.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 44 tons, 16.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 7.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
754 lbs / 342 Kg = 487.6 x 1.5 " / 37 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 11.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 11.09 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.64 ft / 0.50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 10.83 ft / 3.30 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Stern: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 9.92 ft / 3.02 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 50.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.0 %
Waterplane Area: 1,690 Square feet or 157 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 301 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 222 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.42
- Longitudinal: 16.99
- Overall: 1.83
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 9:58am

Armament on the subchaser seems abit on the week side, perhaps a 3" DP gun?

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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 8:31pm

The minesweeper looks like a nice little ship. Looks like something useful and good to keep Peru's shipbuilding industry ticking over. It's fairly similar to a recent Italian type but the Italian ship is faster to act as a patrol vessel.

I think geared drive is likely necessary rather than direct, unless you want the propeller to be doing 1000rpm+. A single engine-single shaft arrangement is likely cheaper and simpler as well.

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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 9:12pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Red Admiral
I think geared drive is likely necessary rather than direct, unless you want the propeller to be doing 1000rpm+. A single engine-single shaft arrangement is likely cheaper and simpler as well.

I think I'd agree with that.

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Thursday, November 10th 2011, 2:08am

That's easy enough to change. So far as I know it has no impact on the sim numbers.

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Thursday, November 10th 2011, 2:18am

Quoted

Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
That's easy enough to change. So far as I know it has no impact on the sim numbers.


Usually no, I have seen times where ADDING shafts can lower the overall, but never seen it hurt the ship by removing them.

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Saturday, November 12th 2011, 2:31pm

A little LCI, to be built at a rate of two per year. It'll give Peru some basic coastal transporation capability, and allow an invasion of Colombia in a century or so.

LCI, laid down 1941

Displacement:
269 t light; 276 t standard; 302 t normal; 323 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
143.97 ft / 127.95 ft x 26.25 ft x 5.25 ft (normal load)
43.88 m / 39.00 m x 8.00 m x 1.60 m

Armament:
3 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1941 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
Weight of broadside 1 lbs / 0 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 2,000

Armour:
- Conning tower: 0.59" / 15 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 1,100 shp / 820 Kw = 15.22 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 48 tons)

Complement:
36 - 47

Cost:
£0.084 million / $0.335 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.2 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 29 tons, 9.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 136 tons, 45.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 33 tons, 11.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 103 tons, 34.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
927 lbs / 420 Kg = 3,796.8 x 0.8 " / 20 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 12.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.88 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 11.31 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Stern: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 13.39 ft / 4.08 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 170.6 %
Waterplane Area: 2,456 Square feet or 228 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 186 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 137 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.74
- Longitudinal: 15.48
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Saturday, November 12th 2011, 5:27pm

An interesting design, with interesting implications.

Of course, coastal traffic is important to the Peruvian economy, and engaging the Navy in nation-building activities will mute the calls for economy at all cost.