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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 3:41pm

New Designs from Nordmark for 1931

New Designs from Nordmark for 1931

Stockholm Class, Nordmark Heavy Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:
12,070 t light; 12,621 t standard; 14,606 t normal; 16,195 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
660.92 ft / 650.00 ft x 65.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
201.45 m / 198.12 m x 19.81 m x 6.71 m

Armament:
8 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (4x2 guns), 282.57lbs / 128.17kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (8x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
10 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft
Weight of broadside 2,938 lbs / 1,332 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: 1.00" / 25 mm 200.00 ft / 60.96 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 5.00" / 127 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 105,048 shp / 78,366 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 12,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,573 tons

Complement:
663 - 863

Cost:
£5.108 million / $20.434 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 367 tons, 2.5 %
Armour: 2,854 tons, 19.5 %
- Belts: 1,004 tons, 6.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 695 tons, 4.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,091 tons, 7.5 %
- Conning Tower: 64 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 3,141 tons, 21.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,618 tons, 38.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,536 tons, 17.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,273 lbs / 8,742 Kg = 68.2 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 14.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 22.02 ft / 6.71 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158.4 %
Waterplane Area: 29,486 Square feet or 2,739 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 579 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.29
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Stockholm, Lahti

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31 class, Nordmark Destroyers laid down 1931

Displacement:
1,797 t light; 1,879 t standard; 2,166 t normal; 2,396 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
365.36 ft / 360.00 ft x 36.00 ft x 13.00 ft (normal load)
111.36 m / 109.73 m x 10.97 m x 3.96 m

Armament:
8 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (4x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 339 lbs / 154 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 38,369 shp / 28,623 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 517 tons

Complement:
158 - 206

Cost:
£1.045 million / $4.178 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 42 tons, 2.0 %
Armour: 37 tons, 1.7 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 26 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1,006 tons, 46.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 651 tons, 30.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 369 tons, 17.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 2.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
709 lbs / 322 Kg = 17.5 x 4.3 " / 110 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 11.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.79 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 16.24 ft / 4.95 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 168.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.0 %
Waterplane Area: 8,587 Square feet or 798 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 79 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 38 lbs/sq ft or 186 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.52
- Longitudinal: 2.14
- Overall: 0.59
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

31-1 to 6 built

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Orn, Nordmark Carrier laid down 1931

Displacement:
15,055 t light; 15,475 t standard; 17,424 t normal; 18,983 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
667.46 ft / 660.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
203.44 m / 201.17 m x 21.34 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
6 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns in single mounts, 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 803 lbs / 364 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: 2.00" / 51 mm 260.00 ft / 79.25 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 117,313 shp / 87,516 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 11,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,508 tons

Complement:
757 - 985

Cost:
£4.811 million / $19.242 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 100 tons, 0.6 %
Armour: 2,519 tons, 14.5 %
- Belts: 871 tons, 5.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 84 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,491 tons, 8.6 %
- Conning Tower: 72 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 3,508 tons, 20.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,328 tons, 30.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,369 tons, 13.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3,600 tons, 20.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,023 lbs / 9,536 Kg = 204.7 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.43 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.69 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.83 ft / 8.48 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Stern: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Average freeboard: 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178.5 %
Waterplane Area: 32,243 Square feet or 2,995 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 510 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.22
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

2 ships built Orn & Falk
Can carry 60 aircraft





Any Comments?

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 3:54pm

Heh, of course there are comments....

On Stockholm, you can probably get some strength back by going to a transom stern. The range is exceptionally long, though to be fair Nordmark does have some relatively long distance runs, but still..... The 20mm mounts seem wrong: 10 single mounts, all aft on the centerline???

On the 31 class destroyer leaders, they look pretty solid, if perhaps a touch slower than some. Solid gun armament, you might want to raise the stem a bit to keep the water off the bow and you've got the extra strength to do it.

On Orn, another case where you might want to raise the bow, though if the flight deck is raised above the bow it's a bit less of an issue. The range, if they're to be paired with the Stockholm class ships, might need to be raised a bit.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:00pm

Atualy there is lots of CVL sailing the seas of wesworld if there ever is a war there will be lots of aviation fires...Mmm aviation fires.

How do You plan to put 60 planes on such a small hull 40-50 is more plusible.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:26pm

Quoted

On Stockholm, you can probably get some strength back by going to a transom stern. The range is exceptionally long, though to be fair Nordmark does have some relatively long distance runs, but still..... The 20mm mounts seem wrong: 10 single mounts, all aft on the centerline???


Doh!!!!!! Those mounts are listed wrong, I'l get that changed. Using a transom is not seen as useful on this design. As for the range, the excess allows for these ships to steam at speeds greater than 15knots for a greater length of time.


Quoted

On the 31 class destroyer leaders, they look pretty solid, if perhaps a touch slower than some. Solid gun armament, you might want to raise the stem a bit to keep the water off the bow and you've got the extra strength to do it.


The speed of the follow on class will be greater. I think that the seakeeping of these ships is good enough, considering their size and speed.

Quoted

On Orn, another case where you might want to raise the bow, though if the flight deck is raised above the bow it's a bit less of an issue. The range, if they're to be paired with the Stockholm class ships, might need to be raised a bit.


The Flight deck is raised above the bow. The range of these ships isn't great, but is the best that can be expected, and is still enough to reach South Georgia travelling non-stop.

Quoted

Atualy there is lots of CVL sailing the seas of wesworld if there ever is a war there will be lots of aviation fires...Mmm aviation fires.

How do You plan to put 60 planes on such a small hull 40-50 is more plusible.


With Manzo still alive, that is a worry in Peace time. I Believe 60 planes is plausible on a ship this size, especially as the Russians are fitting 60 onto a ship 3000tons smaller.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:29pm

The 60 aircraft comes from the 3600 tons of miscellaneous space, which when you take the square root of it you get 60. The WW rules say that aircraft take up (#aircraft * #aircraft) tons of space (or 25 tons per aircraft, whichever is more).

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:31pm

Problem with 20mm guns sorted

Stockholm Class, Nordmark Heavy Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:
12,070 t light; 12,621 t standard; 14,606 t normal; 16,195 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
660.92 ft / 650.00 ft x 65.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
201.45 m / 198.12 m x 19.81 m x 6.71 m

Armament:
8 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (4x2 guns), 282.57lbs / 128.17kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (8x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
10 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,938 lbs / 1,332 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: 1.00" / 25 mm 200.00 ft / 60.96 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 5.00" / 127 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 105,048 shp / 78,366 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 12,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,573 tons

Complement:
663 - 863

Cost:
£5.108 million / $20.434 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 367 tons, 2.5 %
Armour: 2,854 tons, 19.5 %
- Belts: 1,004 tons, 6.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 695 tons, 4.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,091 tons, 7.5 %
- Conning Tower: 64 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 3,141 tons, 21.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,618 tons, 38.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,536 tons, 17.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,273 lbs / 8,742 Kg = 68.2 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 14.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 22.02 ft / 6.71 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158.4 %
Waterplane Area: 29,486 Square feet or 2,739 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 579 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.29
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Stockholm, Lahti

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:35pm

Still not sure what the purpose of the end belts is, other than splinter protection (or national characteristic). With the relatively long main belt, sufficient buoyancy should be protected to keep the ship afloat and functional even if some compartments fore and aft of the citadel are full of water.

On Stockholm, it's a fairly blocky, broad design for a cruiser, with a BC of 0.55. Orn is just the opposite, with a BC of only 0.45. I might suggest meeting in the middle on both design, around a BC of 0.5 or perhaps a little higher for the carrier.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:37pm

I don´t understand why there is an armored conning tower on the DD....?!

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:41pm

Quoted

I don´t understand why there is an armored conning tower on the DD....?!


Neither do I!?!?!?!?!?!

Design Revised, with even better Seakeeping

31 class, Nordmark Destroyers laid down 1931

Displacement:
1,797 t light; 1,879 t standard; 2,166 t normal; 2,396 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
365.36 ft / 360.00 ft x 36.00 ft x 13.00 ft (normal load)
111.36 m / 109.73 m x 10.97 m x 3.96 m

Armament:
8 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (4x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 339 lbs / 154 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 38,369 shp / 28,623 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 517 tons

Complement:
158 - 206

Cost:
£1.046 million / $4.184 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 42 tons, 2.0 %
Armour: 26 tons, 1.2 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 26 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,008 tons, 46.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 660 tons, 30.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 369 tons, 17.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 2.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
712 lbs / 323 Kg = 17.5 x 4.3 " / 110 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 11.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.79 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 168.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.1 %
Waterplane Area: 8,587 Square feet or 798 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 80 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 37 lbs/sq ft or 182 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.43
- Overall: 0.58
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

31-1 to 6 built

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:42pm

Quoted

I don´t understand why there is an armored conning tower on the DD....?!


All the previous Nordish DD designs have them, so it wasn't a surprise to me.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:45pm

Revised without endbelts.

Orn, Nordmark Carrier laid down 1931

Displacement:
15,055 t light; 15,475 t standard; 17,424 t normal; 18,983 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
667.46 ft / 660.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
203.44 m / 201.17 m x 21.34 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
6 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns in single mounts, 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 803 lbs / 364 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 480.00 ft / 146.30 m 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 117,313 shp / 87,516 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 11,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,508 tons

Complement:
757 - 985

Cost:
£4.811 million / $19.242 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 100 tons, 0.6 %
Armour: 2,518 tons, 14.5 %
- Belts: 870 tons, 5.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 84 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,491 tons, 8.6 %
- Conning Tower: 72 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 3,508 tons, 20.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,329 tons, 30.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,369 tons, 13.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3,600 tons, 20.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,070 lbs / 9,557 Kg = 205.2 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.18

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.43 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.69 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.83 ft / 8.48 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Stern: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Average freeboard: 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178.5 %
Waterplane Area: 32,243 Square feet or 2,995 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 510 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

2 ships built Orn & Falk
Can carry 60 aircraft

And the answer to the question about bc's is please check you've read the right sim. The Destroyer has a bc of .45

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:49pm

Hah, you're right, my question on the BC is a little off. Still a bit broad and blocky for a cruiser or a carrier, but not out of the question so. The Nords do tend to build their ships a bit blockier than some other countries anyway.

I was thinking more of the end belts on Stockholm, but the same question applied to Orn too.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2006, 4:55pm

Revised

Stockholm Class, Nordmark Heavy Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:
12,070 t light; 12,621 t standard; 14,606 t normal; 16,195 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
660.92 ft / 650.00 ft x 65.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
201.45 m / 198.12 m x 19.81 m x 6.71 m

Armament:
8 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (4x2 guns), 282.57lbs / 128.17kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (8x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
10 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,938 lbs / 1,332 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 480.00 ft / 146.30 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 114 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 5.00" / 127 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 105,048 shp / 78,366 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 12,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,573 tons

Complement:
663 - 863

Cost:
£5.108 million / $20.434 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 367 tons, 2.5 %
Armour: 2,832 tons, 19.4 %
- Belts: 982 tons, 6.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 695 tons, 4.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,091 tons, 7.5 %
- Conning Tower: 64 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 3,141 tons, 21.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,639 tons, 38.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,536 tons, 17.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,312 lbs / 8,760 Kg = 68.3 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 14.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 22.02 ft / 6.71 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158.4 %
Waterplane Area: 29,486 Square feet or 2,739 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 581 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.31
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Stockholm, Lahti