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The Yugoslav Ministry of Defence has announced a request for proposals for new fighter interceptor aircraft. The following minimum requirements are embodied in the RFP.

Single-seat, single engine
Speed 580 km/hr at operational altitude
Service ceiling 10,000 meters
Range 1,000 kilometers

Mexico can offer the following:


Note: They would be second-hand aircraft (but in very good shape) so would be available immediately and pretty cheap. Max range is slightly bellow the RfP but the plane can carry an external fuel tank increasing the range beyond 1,000 km. New built aircraft can also be ordered.



C-15 (GW type 105Mx) Fighter


Type: Single Seat Fighter

Engine: 1 x GWM V-1300 1300Hp
Dimensions:

Span: 9,92 m
Length: 9 m
Height: 2,59 m

Max. speed: 620 km/h @ 6000 m
Max. Climb 14m/sec
Max. range 900 km
Empty: 2860 kg
Max Loaded 3750 kg

Armament: 4 x 12,7 mm MG, 1 x 25.4mm Cannon, 750lbs bombs

Artist impression of plane with Yugoslavian marking.

Poland submits its PZL Bf-109G for trials

Powered by 1× Daimler-Benz DB 605A-1 liquid-cooled inverted V12, 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)
* Maximum speed: 640 km/h (398 mph) at 6,300 m (20,669 ft)
* Cruise speed: 590 km/h (365 mph) at 6,000 m (19,680 ft)
* Range: 850 km (528 mi) 1,000 km (621 mi) with droptank
* Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,370 ft)
* Rate of climb: 17.0 m/s (3,345 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 196 kg/m² (40 lb/ft²)
* Power/mass: 344 W/kg (0.21 hp/lb)

Armed with 2x7,98mm MG and 1x20mm Cannon.
Provisions for up too 500kg bomb and two additional guns pods.

(Polish made Bf-109 Your only source of authentic OTL Messerschitt's minus the rushed war time production quality )

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Originally posted by Marek Gutkowski
Artist impression of plane with Yugoslavian marking.

Poland submits its PZL Bf-109G for trials

Powered by 1× Daimler-Benz DB 605A-1 liquid-cooled inverted V12, 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)
* Maximum speed: 640 km/h (398 mph) at 6,300 m (20,669 ft)
* Cruise speed: 590 km/h (365 mph) at 6,000 m (19,680 ft)
* Range: 850 km (528 mi) 1,000 km (621 mi) with droptank
* Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,370 ft)
* Rate of climb: 17.0 m/s (3,345 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 196 kg/m² (40 lb/ft²)
* Power/mass: 344 W/kg (0.21 hp/lb)

Armed with 2x7,98mm MG and 1x20mm Cannon.
Provisions for up too 500kg bomb and two additional guns pods.

For purposes of evaluation, would you please indicate a potential delivery schedule for (a) An initial quantity of 100 aircraft and (b) an option for up to an additional 100 aircraft in increments of 25 units.

Further, if successful, would the PZL and PZI be willing to consider entering into discussions regarding technology transfer and licencing?

Thank you,

Romania submits its IAR 81 for consideration:



General characteristics

Crew: one, pilot
Length: 8.97 m (29 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 11 m (36 ft 1 in)
Height: 3.535 m (11 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 17 m² (183 ft²)
Empty weight: 2500 kg (5,512 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 3250 kg (7,165 lb)
Powerplant: 1× IAR K14R air-cooled 14 cylinder double-row radial, (1,400hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 625 km/h (388 mph)
Range: 730 km on internal fuel only/1330 km with extra fuel tanks (394 nm, 454 mi/718 nm, 826 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,800 ft)
Wing loading: 132.35 kg/m² (27.1 lb/ft²)

Armament

2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon and 4 × 7.92 mm FN machine guns mounted in the inner portion of the wing; provision for one 225 kg (500 lb) bomb under the fuselage

Various British manufacturers are willing to enter their products;

Boulton-Paul Resistant (Defiant P94)
Length 35 ft 4 in (10.77 m); wingspan 39 ft 4 in (11.99 m); height 12 ft 2 in (3.71 m); wing area 250 ft² (23 m²)
Empty weight 6,078 lb (2,755 kg); loaded weight 8,318 lb (3,773 kg)
Powerplant: RR Merlin VI, 1,280hp
Armament: 4x20mm cannon
Maximum speed: 360 mph / 579.3 kph (312.8 knots)
Max Range: 520 mi (837 km)
Service ceiling: 30,350 ft (9,250 m)
Rate of climb: 3,235 ft/min (16.4 m/s)
As used by Ireland and Greece


Supermarine Spitfire Mk III
In 1939 production switched to the Mk III with the new Merlin V with a two speed supercharger and a revised armament of two 20mm Oerlikon cannon and four .303in Browning MGs.
Spitfire Mk III; 36.10/29.11/12.7/242 sq ft; 1x 1,185hp Merlin V (two-speed supercharger); max speed 374mph at 13,000ft; range 470 miles and service ceiling 37,000ft.
As used by Bulgaria (older variants)


Fairey Firefly

Developed to N.8/37 as a new carrier-based single-seat fighter. Powered by a RR Griffon V-12 with a fuselage of exceptionally clean appearance to reduce drag and time to 10,00ft is 3 minutes. Armament is four wing-mounted 20mm cannon and two 1,000lb bombs can be fitted beneath the wings.
Dimensions; 44.6/ 35.10/ 13.5/ 328 sq ft; 1x 2,035hp Rolls-Royce Griffon I; max speed 382mph at 15,000 feet; range 1,100 miles and service ceiling 28,500ft.


Hawker Tornado
Developed to F.18/35 as a Hurricane and Spitfire replacement to enter service in 1938. Armament consists of twelve 7.7mm Browning MGs in the wings (4x 20mm cannon could be fitted if desired by Yugoslavia).
Dimensions; 41.11/ 32.10/ 14.8/ 283 sq ft; 1x 1,980hp RR Vulture II; max speed 398mph; range 510 miles and service ceiling 34,900ft.

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Originally posted by Hood
Supermarine Spitfire Mk III
In 1939 production switched to the Mk III with the new Merlin V with a two speed supercharger and a revised armament of two 20mm Oerlikon cannon and four .303in Browning MGs.
Spitfire Mk III; 36.10/29.11/12.7/242 sq ft; 1x 1,185hp Merlin V (two-speed supercharger); max speed 374mph at 13,000ft; range 470 miles and service ceiling 37,000ft.
As used by Bulgaria (older variants)

I think you mean "all variants", as I've ordered 72 MkIs, 32 MkIIs, and 72 MkIIIs. As soon as the last DAR-11s, Eclipse Hurricanes, and [Insert-Appropriate-Acronym-Here]-109s are gone, I'll be making another order, likely... though Bulgaria is slightly schizophrenic about ordering military equipment used by the neighbors. Something tripe about target recognition.

Didn't know if it was public yet that you had ordered Spit MkIIIs so I thought I'd play it safe!

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Originally posted by Hood
Various British manufacturers are willing to enter their products;


Supermarine Spitfire Mk III
In 1939 production switched to the Mk III with the new Merlin V with a two speed supercharger and a revised armament of two 20mm Oerlikon cannon and four .303in Browning MGs.
Spitfire Mk III; 36.10/29.11/12.7/242 sq ft; 1x 1,185hp Merlin V (two-speed supercharger); max speed 374mph at 13,000ft; range 470 miles and service ceiling 37,000ft.
As used by Bulgaria (older variants)


Fairey Firefly

Developed to N.8/37 as a new carrier-based single-seat fighter. Powered by a RR Griffon V-12 with a fuselage of exceptionally clean appearance to reduce drag and time to 10,00ft is 3 minutes. Armament is four wing-mounted 20mm cannon and two 1,000lb bombs can be fitted beneath the wings.
Dimensions; 44.6/ 35.10/ 13.5/ 328 sq ft; 1x 2,035hp Rolls-Royce Griffon I; max speed 382mph at 15,000 feet; range 1,100 miles and service ceiling 28,500ft.


Hawker Tornado
Developed to F.18/35 as a Hurricane and Spitfire replacement to enter service in 1938. Armament consists of twelve 7.7mm Browning MGs in the wings (4x 20mm cannon could be fitted if desired by Yugoslavia).
Dimensions; 41.11/ 32.10/ 14.8/ 283 sq ft; 1x 1,980hp RR Vulture II; max speed 398mph; range 510 miles and service ceiling 34,900ft.

The Yugoslav Air Ministry is interested in the several options presented by the British representatives and asks the following:

What would be the delivery schedule for the Supermarine Spitfire Mk.III, assuming an initial order for 100 aircraft plus an option for an additional 100?

What would be the delivery schedule for the Hawker Tornado, given the same assumptions?

Is a land-based variant of Fairey Firefly available or under consideration? At the present time Yugoslavia has no requirement for carrier aircraft, but the design is impressive.

Thank you,

Why is everyone in the Balkans going for the Spitfire/Me109 combo? If war breaks out, it is going to be an ID nightmare.

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Originally posted by Desertfox
Why is everyone in the Balkans going for the Spitfire/Me109 combo? If war breaks out, it is going to be an ID nightmare.

To date, only Bulgaria has acquired export Spitfires - no other nation ever ordered them; the Bulgarian Bf109Bs are being slowly retired (likely all gone by 1940 or 1941). Hardly "everyone", I'd say.

Vickers-Supermarine should be able to begin deliveries of the Spitfire MkIII from Q1/40, all 100 would be ready by Q3/40. After that if there is no follow-on Bulgarian order then the lines will be freer for the next 100 Q4/40-Q1/41.

Hawker is only building for the RAF at the moment, 500 are being built for the RAF but around 100 have been completed so deliveries could begin from Q3/39 with aircraft from RAF batches to give a quick delivery of 25 or so for training etc with others to follow from Q1/40-Q3/40. The follow-on 100 could be Q4/40-Q2/41.

Fairey is not developing a land-based model. The Fireflies for Yugoslavia would lack the arrestor hook and the wings would be fixed without the folding mechanism. Weight would be slightly reduced. Production is still ramping up so deliveries would not begin until Q1/40 streching to Q4/40 and the second batch Q1/41-Q2/41.

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Originally posted by Desertfox
Why is everyone in the Balkans going for the Spitfire/Me109 combo? If war breaks out, it is going to be an ID nightmare.

Perhaps because design-wise, they are an excellent combination and complement each other. And recognition has always been a problem, no matter who was flying what.

The SAE could offer following designs:

DeBroek F-3P "Persian Hawk" - A design generated for Persia and in service for some time. You may want to ask them for reference.

JFM F-6E "Swallow" - A tried and true design, a Talons winning machine (see Talons 1937). There also exists a trainer version with two cockpits, called TF-6F.

Walter F-8C "Demon" - A good interceptor and available in time. There also exists a trainer version with two cockpits, the TF-8D.

For detailed info see the SAE encyclopedia: http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/board.php?boardid=133&sid=

So, um.

Since I mentioned I was working around to make another order of Spitfires, I started messing around with my spreadsheets and noticed I had a few little holes that needed to be fixed... and some aircraft I wanted to retire, and all that jazz... um.

Yeah...

[SIZE=1]Dear Britain. We need 192 additional MkIIIs and 72 Fairey Fireflies before the end of 1940. Yours truly, Bulgaria.[/SIZE]

Spitfires, as usual, with MG17s substituted for the Brownings, but I definitely want the Oerlikons...

*Has the Army hit their "Buy Atlantean" button a few more times to feel better...*

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
For purposes of evaluation, would you please indicate a potential delivery schedule for (a) An initial quantity of 100 aircraft and (b) an option for up to an additional 100 aircraft in increments of 25 units.

Further, if successful, would the PZL and PZI be willing to consider entering into discussions regarding technology transfer and licencing?

Thank you,

A license agreement can be worked out.

Poland is able to supply 100 aircraft's by Q1/1941 additional 100 by Q1/1942

Better pic of a possible Yugoslavia Bf-109G-2

As Yugoslavia use Cyrillic the the registry reads 1 NI

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Originally posted by Marek Gutkowski


Better pic of a possible Yugoslavia Bf-109G-2

As Yugoslavia use Cyrillic the the registry reads 1 NI

I like this color scheme better. Nice work!

Focke-Wulf offers the Fw-190J (a version of the OTL Fw-190 A-4 armed with 2 7.92mm MG-17s and 4 15mm MG-151s) for Yugoslavian consideration.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Focke-Wulf offers the Fw-190J (a version of the OTL Fw-190 A-4 armed with 2 7.92mm MG-17s and 4 15mm MG-151s) for Yugoslavian consideration.

What would be the probable delivery schedule for an initial quantity of 100 aircraft, with an option quantity of 100 aircraft?

Can the aircraft carry external fuel tanks?

Can customer-specified armament fits be accomodated in the design. The preferred armament would be six 13.2mm machineguns of indigenous design.