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Originally posted by perdedor99

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

Here's the list of theDelphinos-class - seventeen units since 1932.Nemesis-class appears to be an improvement on theHermes, which is in turn an improvement of a WWI British R-class.

-Delphinos(S30) - laid down Q2/32.

-Aphrodite(S31) - laid down Q4/32.

-Astra(S32) - laid down Q3/33.

-Boreas(S33) - laid down Q3/33.

-Diktynna(S34) laid down Q2/34.

-Hephaistos(S35) laid down Q2/34.

-Nike(S36) laid down Q3/34.

-Persephone(S37) laid down Q3/34.

-Phobos(S3 laid down Q3/34.

-Porphyrion(S39) laid down Q3/34.

-Phorcys(S40) laid down Q2/35.

-Oreithyia(S41) laid down Q2/35.

-Morpheus(S42) laid down Q2/35.

-Melinoe(S43) laid down Q3/35.

-Lampetia(S44) laid down Q4/35.

-Kratos(S45) laid down Q4/35.

-Kalligeneia(S46) laid down Q4/35.

Not finding any Springsharps for the other boats, I'm going to attempt to make some Springsharps for R, theHermes, and the 21"Nemesisover lunch. (Edit: Brock headdesks after realizing theHermes-class is ex-RNR-boats.)

that makes it easier. There is still a break between the S26 and S30. 4 R's and twenty-two Nemesis still

is three hulls short if we go by the numbers of the Delphinos. (Hulls S27 to S29)

Hmmm... perhaps this 1931 sim report has the answer.

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S-1 Delfin Class Submarine -> (0 + 2 in reserve) Quarterly Cost -> £3000

S-4 Hermês Class Submarine -> (0 + 4 in reserve) Quarterly Cost -> £28980

S-8 Nemesis Class Submarine -> (16 + 0 in reserve) Quarterly Cost -> £372000

But now we have the oddity of only sixteen

By what numbers I say:

Three old French submarines, followed by four imporved R's Types and then 16 Nemesis to S-23. But if you count all the way to 22 Nemesis it gives you the starting number of the Delphinos (S-30). IMO is too late to try to find the why of that so I guess the count for the nemesis will be indeed 22.

Three old French submarines, followed by four imporved R's Types and then 16 Nemesis to S-23. But if you count all the way to 22 Nemesis it gives you the starting number of the Delphinos (S-30). IMO is too late to try to find the why of that so I guess the count for the nemesis will be indeed 22.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "perdedor99" (Feb 24th 2010, 8:37pm)

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[SIZE=3][/SIZE]Hermês-class (ex-R-class), British/Greek Submarine laid down 1917

Displacement:

466 t light; 476 t standard; 500 t normal; 519 t full load

Dimensions:Length overall / water x beam x draught

163.00 ft / 163.00 ft x 16.00 ft x 11.50 ft (normal load)

49.68 m / 49.68 m x 4.88 m x 3.51 m

6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Machinery:

Diesel Internal combustion generators plus batteries,

Electric motors, 1 shaft, 849 shp / 633 Kw = 14.00 kts

Range 3,500nm at 8.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 43 tons

Complement:

52 - 68

Cost:

£0.038 million / $0.150 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Machinery: 31 tons, 6.2 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 335 tons, 67.0 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 34 tons, 6.8 %

Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 20.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

40 lbs / 18 Kg = 0.4 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02

Metacentric height 0.3 ft / 0.1 m

Roll period: 11.6 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 0 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

Block coefficient: 0.583

Length to Beam Ratio: 10.19 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 12.77 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Forecastle (20 %): 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Mid (50 %): 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Stern: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Average freeboard: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 251.9 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 0.0 %

Waterplane Area: 1,832 Square feet or 170 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 308 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 560 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 4.99

- Longitudinal: 2.83

- Overall: 3.27

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor

Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor

Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform

Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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[SIZE=3][/SIZE]Nemesis-class (Improved Hermes), Greek Submarine laid down 1922

Displacement:

466 t light; 476 t standard; 500 t normal; 519 t full load

Dimensions:Length overall / water x beam x draught

163.00 ft / 163.00 ft x 16.00 ft x 11.50 ft (normal load)

49.68 m / 49.68 m x 4.88 m x 3.51 m

4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Machinery:

Diesel Internal combustion generators plus batteries,

Electric motors, 1 shaft, 1,110 shp / 828 Kw = 15.00 kts

Range 4,000nm at 8.00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 43 tons

Complement:

52 - 68

Cost:

£0.059 million / $0.235 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Machinery: 38 tons, 7.5 %

Hull, fittings & equipment: 328 tons, 65.6 %

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 34 tons, 6.8 %

Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 20.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

141 lbs / 64 Kg = 1.3 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01

Metacentric height 0.3 ft / 0.1 m

Roll period: 11.7 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 0 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

Block coefficient: 0.583

Length to Beam Ratio: 10.19 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 12.77 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Forecastle (20 %): 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Mid (50 %): 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Quarterdeck (15 %): 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Stern: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Average freeboard: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.4 %

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 0.0 %

Waterplane Area: 1,831 Square feet or 170 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 285 %

Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 549 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 4.86

- Longitudinal: 2.78

- Overall: 3.19

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped

Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor

Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform

Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

I'll have to work on putting together more Greek sim reports tomorrow. Busy today, and have a meeting this evening, so I likely can't get them all done tonight.

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Originally posted by perdedor99

I don't mind doing the posting as soon as SIM's are agreed upon but I think you're right. We discussed division of tasks but never directly delegate those tasks. So we are working like the real Greek government. Next we have to destroy their economy completely and we will be close to RL.

I vote we give five factories to Turkey, five factories to Britain, and five factories to... uh. Liechtenstein? YES, Liechtenstein! FLAWLESS VICTORY!

So let's figure out what all we need to get posted:

- Submarine sims

- Army

- Air Force

- 1938 stuff

Anything else?

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by perdedor99

I don't mind doing the posting as soon as SIM's are agreed upon but I think you're right. We discussed division of tasks but never directly delegate those tasks. So we are working like the real Greek government. Next we have to destroy their economy completely and we will be close to RL.

I vote we give five factories to Turkey, five factories to Britain, and five factories to... uh. Liechtenstein? YES, Liechtenstein! FLAWLESS VICTORY!

So let's figure out what all we need to get posted:

- Submarine sims

- Army

- Air Force

- 1938 stuff

Anything else?

May I suggest adding trooptransports and lighters to that list (that are listed by numbers but with no sims)

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