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howard

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Sunday, August 3rd 2008, 7:14pm

Siam gets an unusual offer.



Needless to say, the inventor makes all kinds of fabulous claims. Sprian is mulling it over.

G.

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Sunday, August 3rd 2008, 7:35pm

Hmmmm. Rimmed case? Why else would the magazine be that curved? Also, it's completely unsuited to bayonet fighting, and it's usefulness in hand-to-hand, by the look of it, would be fairly minimal.

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Sunday, August 3rd 2008, 8:04pm

That's actually an AK47 magazine.

I wouldn't touch it until it comes provided with a rear sight. :P

Kaiser Kirk

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Sunday, August 3rd 2008, 8:17pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
That's actually an AK47 magazine.

I wouldn't touch it until it comes provided with a rear sight. :P


I had to dig a bit, but that makes sense, original should use the same cartridge, though what the WW version is, who knows. Odd looking beast.

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Sunday, August 3rd 2008, 8:39pm

Well, I know it's an AK47 magazine because I have AK47 mags for visual reference. :P

The problem I see with this rifle is mainly twofold. First, it lacks a forward handguard, and I know from experience that you DON'T want to be grabbing at the barrel of a rifle once you empty that magazine. (I had barbarque marks on my hands for several days as a result of this lesson.)

Second, I see nothing resembling enough room for a gas rod, meaning that the action will be blowback only. Even in the 1930s direct blowback is getting known as the wrong way to go for a rifle-caliber semiauto.

Bullpup rifles of this generation are going to have a lot more mechanical problems. There's a lot of difficulty because the trigger is now in front of the action and the connection has to be bridged, adding mechanical complexity. Add to that the fact that you'll need an intermediate round on that rifle, of which only two exist in WW that I know of - the German 7x40 being one of them.

For me, though, the lack of a gas return operation makes me suspect of this rifle being very useful. Now, if it was an SMG with a pistol round, then direct blowback would probably work well for the size - but then I'd have to question the reason for a bullpup SMG.

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Sunday, August 3rd 2008, 11:56pm

OK, the alternative to a rimmed round is one with a lot of body taper.

I was originally thinking a bullpup SMG, but the magazine seemed too curved and too wide for any likely SMG rounds. Yeah, the lack of a forward hand guard is going to be a problem,

It COULD be a short or long-recoil action, that would explain the lack of a gas system, but those tend to have their own issues in rifle caliber weapons.

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Monday, August 4th 2008, 12:23am

Indeed so. And I don't really see the point behind bullpup SMGs, honestly.

howard

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Monday, August 4th 2008, 12:36am

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as73-e.htm

That is what it will eventually become. My thinking is that it will be another fiasco in the Siam storyline.

H.

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Monday, August 4th 2008, 12:47am

Yeah... I don't think it'll prove tough enough for jungle warfare, and the picture is from a 1945 prototype anyway. That's stretching it just a tad too much, IMHO.