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Given that China is purchasing Bajoi and her sisters, are you sure you want to add a vessel of similar size but completely incompatible weapons? I mean, Yingtan is a little larger, but has a slower cruise speed and her weapons are totally incompatible with the new destroyers.

You are right, but China has bought the licence from India to built these ships.

The ships of the Yingtan-class are meant for the SCSP (south Chinese sea patrol). Whereas the new ships of the Bajoi-class are meant as protection for the core fleet. For this reason I do not see necessarily a problem with the incompatibility. Uniform caliber would be natural desirably, perhaps the ships is revised and/or this will be considered with further ships of this class.

Ah, OK. Admittedly, compatibility can be hard to achieve when a country is mostly purchasing from abroad, since generally different suppliers are incompatible and it's not necessarily wise to be completely dependent on 1 supplier.

Isn't 25 tons too much weight for an airplane(even counting fuel and stocks for the aircraft)? The Republic F-105(largest single engine aircraft ever built) has a takeoff weight just shy of 24,000 kg.

I would think that the 25 tons per plane would be for fuel for multiple missions, ammunition for multiple missions, crew, maintenance crew, maintenance space, tools, crew/maintenance crew quarters, etc. There are probably more things, but can't really concentrate while standing behind a computer.
I would think that the plane might be something like 2-4 tons of those 25 tons...

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Originally posted by gral
Isn't 25 tons too much weight for an airplane(even counting fuel and stocks for the aircraft)? The Republic F-105(largest single engine aircraft ever built) has a takeoff weight just shy of 24,000 kg.

We have a general agreement that 25ts per plane are used to represent everything technically necessary (crane, catapult etc.) to operate the plane and all the other points Roijen already mentioned...

Only CVs/large AVs are calculated differently, using the original SpringStyle rules.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Ah, OK. Admittedly, compatibility can be hard to achieve when a country is mostly purchasing from abroad, since generally different suppliers are incompatible and it's not necessarily wise to be completely dependent on 1 supplier.

This was also a problem for Turkey post war, not too many nations wanted to make deals with a WW1 trouble maker. That said Turkey consintrated on standardization early on and sought after designs from nations with similar weapons.

Its quite conveinient when Germany, India and South Africa all use similar weapons.the remainder being Italian and French holdovers.

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Originally posted by HoOmAn

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Originally posted by gral
Isn't 25 tons too much weight for an airplane(even counting fuel and stocks for the aircraft)? The Republic F-105(largest single engine aircraft ever built) has a takeoff weight just shy of 24,000 kg.

We have a general agreement that 25ts per plane are used to represent everything technically necessary (crane, catapult etc.) to operate the plane and all the other points Roijen already mentioned...

Only CVs/large AVs are calculated differently, using the original SpringStyle rules.

That's my point. The sim of the ship reserves 25 tons for a catapult and 25 tons for the aircraft.

re-read Rooijen10's reply. It says it all.

One thing I would like to add... As far as I know, there never was an agreement regarding the minimum of 25 ton per plane. That was given in the Springstyle notes. And because the weight of those planes is usually only a fraction of those 25 tons, it should be quite obvious that from the very beginning of the Spring programs, the remaining weight of those 25 tons is meant to sim that what is needed to support the plane so that it can operate normally.
What we did agree on was that the spare planes on the carriers would be calculated as 25 tons per plane, rather than it being part of the square root of the miscellaneous weight formula. Also agreed upon was that the catapult and the crane are calculated separate from the plane. 1 crane + 1 catapult = 25 tons. Naturally the crane and catapult themselves together are lighter than 25 tons, but like with the plane, there are a few things that can be considered to be part of those 25 tons. Stuff like maintenance tools, reserve parts, reserve hoisting cables, below deck machinery, etc.

With the weights of carriers, things are added like the flightdeck (non-armored), the reinforcements of the flightdeck, catapults on the more modern carriers, the hangar, etc.