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Originally posted by HoOmAn
So many hits will destroy your cruiser anyway. Even if the armored deck is not penetrated everything else will be ruined and burning....

I know, but it's better that the ship should go down hard than to go down after the deck is penetrated on the first hit and the round blows up in one of the forward magazine and pretty much blows the ship in half, don't you think?

Oh, just a note, executor means executioner in Portuguese instead of a person who settles a will as is the case in English.

Planned ship names are as follows:
Executor
Obliterar
Partir
Destruição
Rasgar
Falência
Fracassar
Subjugar
Aniquilar
Extirpar

Quoted

Originally posted by Fyrwulf
Oh, just a note, executor means executioner in Portuguese instead of a person who settles a will as is the case in English.

Planned ship names are as follows:
Executor
Obliterar
Partir
Destruição
Rasgar
Falência
Fracassar
Subjugar
Aniquilar
Extirpar

Most of the names you submitted are in fact verbs, but even those who are names would sound strange as ship names(the only word of the list I can see being used is Destruição). Some of the words would sound downright silly(Falência - Bankrupcy).

There is a site(in Portuguese) with a list of Brazilian warships. The site doesn't have much information on the ships themselves(information on Brazilian warships is rather scarce, even - or specially - in Portuguese), but there is a long list of names there:

http://www.naviosdeguerrabrasileiros.hpg….br/Letras2.htm

I assume you don't have a dial-up connection - the list is quite long.

Edit1: Typo fixed

Edit2: Oh, by the way, Executor can also mean someone who executes an order, or executes a debt(I think the word in English would be foreclosure)

I looked up the names on Answers.com, they provide translations in multiple languages. The English equivalent to that list, at least according to Answers is the following:

Executioner
Obliterate
Sunder
Destruction
Rend
Ruin
Shatter
Subjugate
Annihilate
Extirpate

Of course, since your Portuguese is obviously a whole lot better than mine, I invite you to come up with a list that would follow Executor and make sense.

Most of the above are verbs and should be nouns,

e.g.

Executioner
Obliterate -> Obliterator
Sunder -> Sunderer
Destruction -> Destructor
Rend -> none
Ruin -> Ruiner
Shatter -> Shatterer
Subjugate -> Subjugator
Annihilate ->Annihilator
Extirpate ?

The names are all a bit strange. Naming things after rivers or other geograhical features is always a good bet.

Well, I abandoned the Executor naming scheme and instead went to bird of prey.

Falcão (Falcon)
Águia (Eagle)
Açor (Goshawk)
Lebreiro (Harrier)
Harpia (Harpy)
Coruja (Owl)
Noctívago (Nighthawk)
Busardo (Kite)
Condor

Sounds much better and less cheesy....

Much better indeed

Here's the modified cruiser. Hoo will be pleased to note that its BC is now 0.500, as are all the cruiser designs that I have in the works. Of course, it was necessary for the refit program I have in mind for the Almirante Barroso and Sagitário classes. Btw, that's why I didn't use admiral's names, gral, since they were taken up by another class.

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MIBN Falcão, Empire of Brazil Escort Cruiser laid down 1939

Displacement:
7,468 t light; 7,794 t standard; 8,454 t normal; 8,982 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(543.48 ft / 531.00 ft) x 60.70 ft x (18.36 / 19.22 ft)
(165.65 m / 161.85 m) x 18.50 m x (5.60 / 5.86 m)

Armament:
12 - 5.98" / 152 mm 50.0 cal guns - 120.00lbs / 54.43kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1939 Model
4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts , 1939 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
16 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts , 1939 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,473 lbs / 1,473 kg
8 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.35" / 110 mm 345.15 ft / 105.20 m 8.85 ft / 2.70 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 4.00" / 102 mm

- Armour deck: 2.75" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 66,911 shp / 49,916 Kw = 30.50 kts
Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,188 tons

Complement:
440 - 573

Cost:
£3.838 million / $15.353 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 351 tons, 4.2 %
Armour: 2,014 tons, 23.8 %
- Belts: 560 tons, 6.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 344 tons, 4.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,093 tons, 12.9 %
- Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 1,810 tons, 21.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,471 tons, 41.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 986 tons, 11.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,746 lbs / 5,328 Kg = 109.6 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 16.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.507
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.04 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17.00 %, 26.77 ft / 8.16 m, 19.47 ft / 5.93 m
- Forward deck: 50.00 %, 19.47 ft / 5.93 m, 19.47 ft / 5.93 m
- Aft deck: 16.00 %, 19.47 ft / 5.93 m, 19.47 ft / 5.93 m
- Quarter deck: 17.00 %, 19.47 ft / 5.93 m, 19.47 ft / 5.93 m
- Average freeboard: 19.97 ft / 6.09 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.1 %
Waterplane Area: 21,475 Square feet or 1,995 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 504 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.59
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Ships (10):
Falcão
Águia
Açor
Lebreiro
Harpia
Coruja
Noctívago
Busardo
Condor
Abutre

Actually, I saw your other designs at Warship Projects before I saw the new names for this class, so I knew what happened to the admiral names.