Ok, had two previous posts with full planebuilders, which are terribly long as a result.

RA suggested a boiled down version, which is what I used to do because itis sensible. But it lacks enough to reverse engineer. On the other hand Planebuilder's standard report is badly formated and omits some things you might want to see.

However, that got me to thinking- there are really only a couple of variables that matter that get missed. Structure, airstrip type, max speed, max g, stall speed, cleaness, unstreamlined cross-section tacked on to RA's or my boiled down versions would go a long way towards reverse-engineering the design.

So I came up with a hybrid. Which still isn't satisfactory.

So I'm reposting the bombers (added a crewmen to 115 also) see if this is a more readible format, while still having all the information.

Then- what do we want to do- plane builder? boiled down? or mix?

So here goes. All stats at max weight.

**===Fokker T.VII===**

**Name : ** Fokker T.VII

**Type : ** Medium Bomber

**Undercarriage : ** Rough Field

**Crew : ** 6

**Weight (max) : ** 19,500 lbs

**Dimensions : ** Length : 49 ft. Wingspan : 69 ft. Wing Area : 490sq. ft.

**Wingloading : ** 39.8 lb/sq. ft.

**Powerplant : ** 2 x Avia Pegasus 965hp radials, supercharged 13,000 ft.

**Powerplant weight: ** 2x 1,180lbs

** Power/weight ratio : ** 0.099hp/lb

**Armament : ** 2x single 7.92mm turrets nose/tail, 2x twin 7.92mm turrets dorsal/ ventral.

**Bomb load : ** 4,372 payload

**Armor : ** none

**Range : ** 1,200nm (1,382mph) at 170kts

**Rate of climb : ** 946 fpm

**Max speed : ** 240kts (276mph)

**Ceiling : ** 27,000 ft.

**radius : ** 2,722 ft.

**Loaded Stall speed : ** 78 knts (90mph)

**Limiting Airspeed : ** 261kts

**Wing Ultimate g Load : ** 9G

**Structural Factor : ** 1.0

**Cleanness : ** 79%

**Unstreamlined section : ** 5.1 sq. ft

**===Design 115===**

**Name : ** Fokker Design 115

**Type : ** Heavy Bomber

**Undercarriage : ** Rough Field

**Crew : ** 6

**Weight (max) : ** 36,377 lbs

**Dimensions : ** Length : 77.4 ft. Wingspan : 104 ft. Wing Area : 1,212sq. ft.

**Wingloading : ** 30.0 lb/sq. ft.

**Powerplant : ** 4 x Avia Pegasus 965hp radials, supercharged 13,000 ft.

**Powerplant weight: ** 4x 1,180lbs

** Power/weight ratio : ** 0.106hp/lb

**Armament : ** 2x single 7.92mm turrets nose/tail, 2x twin 7.92mm turrets dorsal/ ventral.

**Bomb load : ** 6,033 payload

**Armor : ** none

**Range : ** 1,620nm (1,865mile) at 151kts

**Rate of climb : ** 1,083 fpm

**Max speed : ** 232kts (267mph)

**Ceiling : ** 30,250 ft.

**radius : ** 2,092 ft.

**Loaded Stall speed : ** 68 knts (78mph)

**Limiting Airspeed : ** 261kts

**Wing Ultimate g Load : ** 8G

**Structural Factor : ** 1.0

**Cleanness : ** 79%

**Unstreamlined section : ** 10.1 sq. ft

**===Design 119===**

**Name : ** Fokker Design 119

**Type : ** Heavy Bomber

**Undercarriage : ** Rough Field

**Crew : ** 6

**Weight (max) : ** 66,700 lbs, specs are for 62,486

**Dimensions : ** Length : 78 ft. Wingspan : 124 ft. Wing Area : 2,160sq. ft.

**Wingloading : ** 30.9 lb/sq. ft.

**Powerplant : ** 4 x Jumo 211A 1,085hp inline, supercharged 13,000 ft.

**Powerplant weight: ** 4x 1,687lbs

** Power/weight ratio : ** 0.065hp/lb

**Armament : ** 2x single 7.92mm turrets nose/tail, 2x twin 7.92mm turrets dorsal/ ventral.

**Bomb load : ** 10,000lb payload, 14,000lb possible with further performance loss.

**Armor : ** none

**Range : ** 1,620nm (1,865mile) at 151kts

**Rate of climb : ** 474 fpm

**Max speed : ** 209kts (240 mph)

**Ceiling : ** 21,000 ft.

**radius : ** 2,118 ft.

**Loaded Stall speed : ** 69 knts (79mph)

**Limiting Airspeed : ** 261kts

**Wing Ultimate g Load : ** 9G

**Structural Factor : ** 1.0

**Cleanness : ** 79%

**Unstreamlined section : ** 7.1 sq. ft

**===D.XIXb===**

**Name : ** Fokker D.XIXb

**Type : ** Carrier capable fighter

**Undercarriage : ** Carrier or Rough Field

**Crew : ** 1

**Weight (max) : ** 4,625lbs

**Dimensions : ** Length : 25.9 ft. Wingspan : 35 ft. Wing Area : 226sq. ft.

**Wingloading : ** 20.46 lb/sq. ft.

**Powerplant : ** 1 x Hispano-Suiza 12Y-brs 862hphp inline, supercharged 12,000 ft.

**Powerplant weight: ** 1x 1,036lbs

** Power/weight ratio : ** 0.186hp/lb

**Armament : ** 2x 7.92mm, 2x 13.2mm

**Bomb load : ** none

**Armor : ** 10mm disk behind pilot.

**Range : ** 405nm (466mile) at 150kts

**Rate of climb : ** 2,460 fpm

**Max speed : ** 281kts (323 mph)

**Ceiling : ** 37,950 ft.

**radius : ** 1,556 ft.

**Loaded Stall speed : ** 60 knts (69mph)

**Limiting Airspeed : ** 375kts

**Wing Ultimate g Load : ** 15G

**Structural Factor : ** 1.0

**Cleanness : ** 79%

**Unstreamlined section : ** 1.6 sq. ft

RA suggested a boiled down version, which is what I used to do because itis sensible. But it lacks enough to reverse engineer. On the other hand Planebuilder's standard report is badly formated and omits some things you might want to see.

However, that got me to thinking- there are really only a couple of variables that matter that get missed. Structure, airstrip type, max speed, max g, stall speed, cleaness, unstreamlined cross-section tacked on to RA's or my boiled down versions would go a long way towards reverse-engineering the design.

So I came up with a hybrid. Which still isn't satisfactory.

So I'm reposting the bombers (added a crewmen to 115 also) see if this is a more readible format, while still having all the information.

Then- what do we want to do- plane builder? boiled down? or mix?

So here goes. All stats at max weight.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Kaiser Kirk" (Mar 12th 2007, 4:18am)

Readibility- doing the best I can. - Trying to use bolds to separate planes, alternately I could make 1 plane per post, or 1 plane/reply on a thread. Optimally the best would be 1 at a time, but way things are I tend to have time in chunks here and there, so bunches come out at once.

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