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Monday, February 12th 2007, 7:38pm

RE: " Iberia Rules Ok "

Quoted

Originally posted by Swamphen
Brazilian-SAE relations? I wouldn't hold your breath...

(Much thanks to Fyrwulf for clearing up Brazil's foreign relations.)


So who is going to start the fire? Should I lend you a ZIPPO? ;)

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 11:59pm

Here is your version of Tawitawi. I'm going to try and translate her into SS3beta terms now..

CL34, Brazilian cruiser laid down 1934

Displacement:
3,187 t light; 3,327 t standard; 3,948 t normal; 4,445 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
437.74 ft / 433.07 ft x 41.01 ft x 17.29 ft (normal load)
133.42 m / 132.00 m x 12.50 m x 5.27 m

Armament:
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1934 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1934 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
6 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 713 lbs / 324 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 379.92 ft / 115.80 m 7.68 ft / 2.34 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 135 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 48,145 shp / 35,916 Kw = 32.50 kts
Range 9,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,117 tons

Complement:
248 - 323

Cost:
£1.980 million / $7.920 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 89 tons, 2.3 %
Armour: 406 tons, 10.3 %
- Belts: 182 tons, 4.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 42 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 171 tons, 4.3 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,351 tons, 34.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,226 tons, 31.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 761 tons, 19.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 115 tons, 2.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,049 lbs / 929 Kg = 19.0 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 13.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, raised quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.56 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.79 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.98 ft / 6.70 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m (15.42 ft / 4.70 m aft of break)
- Mid (60 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m (15.42 ft / 4.70 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.42 ft / 4.70 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m before break)
- Stern: 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Average freeboard: 15.80 ft / 4.82 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 131.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.2 %
Waterplane Area: 11,768 Square feet or 1,093 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 57 lbs/sq ft or 278 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.69
- Longitudinal: 1.63
- Overall: 0.75
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


Misc weight:
50t - Minelaying capacity (20 mines)
40t - torpedoes + reloads
25t - climatisation

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Alikchi" (Feb 14th 2007, 11:59pm)


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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 12:31am

Quoted

Originally posted by Alikchi
Here is your version of Tawitawi. I'm going to try and translate her into SS3beta terms now..


Here you go. Some minor differences - I wasn't able to sim the minelaying capacity, for example. Speed and freeboard are slightly different. Overall though very similar.

CL34, Brazilian cruiser laid down 1934

Displacement:
3,182 t light; 3,327 t standard; 3,948 t normal; 4,445 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(437.95 ft / 433.07 ft) x 41.01 ft x (17.29 / 18.77 ft)
(133.49 m / 132.00 m) x 12.50 m x (5.27 / 5.72 m)

Armament:
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 50.0 cal guns - 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts , 1934 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.23lbs / 6.00kg shells, 200 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts , 1934 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck aft
8 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm 55.0 cal guns - 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts , 1934 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
6 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts , 1934 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 712 lbs / 712 kg
8 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.50" / 38 mm 380.00 ft / 115.82 m 7.68 ft / 2.34 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 135 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.75" / 19 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 50,000 shp / 37,300 Kw = 32.81 kts
Range 9,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,117 tons

Complement:
248 - 323

Cost:
£2.023 million / $8.091 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 177 tons, 4.5 %
Armour: 387 tons, 9.8 %
- Belts: 173 tons, 4.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 39 tons, 1.0 %
- Armour Deck: 163 tons, 4.1 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,403 tons, 35.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,282 tons, 32.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 766 tons, 19.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.5 %
- Hull below water: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,032 lbs / 922 Kg = 18.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 14.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, raised quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.450 / 0.467
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.56 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.79 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m, 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m, 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m, 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Average freeboard: 16.15 ft / 4.92 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.2 %
Waterplane Area: 11,768 Square feet or 1,093 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 286 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.69
- Longitudinal: 1.76
- Overall: 0.76
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 3:20am

Couple more for the quantity=quality bracket.

From Mexico:



Export, Mexico Light Cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
4,178 t light; 4,339 t standard; 4,982 t normal; 5,497 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
503.21 ft / 500.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 15.50 ft (normal load)
153.38 m / 152.40 m x 15.24 m x 4.72 m

Armament:
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (1x4 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on centreline, all raised guns
8 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 708 lbs / 321 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.50" / 64 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -

- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 57,470 shp / 42,873 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,158 tons

Complement:
296 - 385

Cost:
£2.287 million / $9.146 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 88 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 824 tons, 16.5 %
- Belts: 322 tons, 6.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 41 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 443 tons, 8.9 %
- Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,633 tons, 32.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,603 tons, 32.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 804 tons, 16.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3,623 lbs / 1,643 Kg = 33.5 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 13.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8.70 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Mid (50 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 9.00 ft / 2.74 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m before break)
- Stern: 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Average freeboard: 16.12 ft / 4.91 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.6 %
Waterplane Area: 15,947 Square feet or 1,481 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 310 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.72
- Longitudinal: 1.02
- Overall: 0.75
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform



***



From Australia:

Export 4, Australia Light Cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
4,199 t light; 4,370 t standard; 5,143 t normal; 5,761 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
511.19 ft / 500.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 16.00 ft (normal load)
155.81 m / 152.40 m x 15.24 m x 4.88 m

Armament:
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (4x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (3x4 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
20 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1935 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 773 lbs / 351 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 350.00 ft / 106.68 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 50,370 shp / 37,576 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,391 tons

Complement:
303 - 394

Cost:
£2.181 million / $8.725 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 97 tons, 1.9 %
Armour: 813 tons, 15.8 %
- Belts: 388 tons, 7.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 119 tons, 2.3 %
- Armour Deck: 306 tons, 6.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,431 tons, 27.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,833 tons, 35.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 944 tons, 18.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5,402 lbs / 2,450 Kg = 50.0 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 12.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.68 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Stern: 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Average freeboard: 19.18 ft / 5.85 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.6 %
Waterplane Area: 16,565 Square feet or 1,539 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 316 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.71
- Longitudinal: 1.61
- Overall: 0.78
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 3:30am

That Mexican cruiser looks strangely familiar...

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 9:59am

A copyright violations? :P

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 10:11am

Yes it looks a bit like this one...

Perhaps he is trying to sell this old ship, pretending it is a new one. :)

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 10:27am

Mexico ordered some Columbias (which are basically fully turreted Omahas, as I see them), as well as building some improved versions domestically recently. So I guess they're sticking to that general design due to lack of innovative shipwrights, and political pressure to submit a design; even if it is based on a basic hull and design that's almost 15 years old now. :P

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 12:45pm

Old? With the changes in the naval world at the moment (1930s), I'd call it ancient. :D

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Monday, February 19th 2007, 5:13pm

I just remembered I had this design lying around. It can use the same triple 4.7" turrents as the Brazilian Destroyers currently use. The updated final picture can be found here.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2007, 3:04am

Andy wiener fizz...

Brazil thanks all those who submitted designs. The decision was difficult but has been made.

Although the temptation was there to take a "quantity over quality" approach, the small designs were, in the end, rejected at this time as unsuited to the needs of the Imperial Navy. However small cruisers may be considered at a later time.

The Lantean submission was impressive but rejected on the grounds of using unspecified artillery calibres.

After considering a variety of factors, a scoring grid was added up, and the results are:

Japan #1 - 22.5
Australia #3 - 23.0
Australia #2 - 27.5
Japan #2 - 28.0
Australia #1 - 28.5
United States - 34.5


Brazil invites Japan to submit a cost requirement for a manufacturing license for the winning vessel to be built in Brazil.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2007, 7:21am

I seem to recall stating the Atlantean design could be modified to exact specs if required...Cest la vie.

Also its somewhat predictable you'd work with Walter agian but I would have thought with a new nation you might want to start out with a fresh outlook to aquiring foriegn designs, diplomacy ect.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2007, 8:22am

I thought so, too...

Quoted

Atlantis could offer an existing design in the Acestus class, modified to specification.

... yes, you did.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2007, 2:15pm

Quoted

I seem to recall stating the Atlantean design could be modified to exact specs if required...Cest la vie.

True, but the Evalulating Commission didn't have the modified design to work with...
(Even with modified armament, the Atlantian design would have scored around 28.)

Quoted

Also its somewhat predictable you'd work with Walter agian but I would have thought with a new nation you might want to start out with a fresh outlook to aquiring foriegn designs, diplomacy ect.

Fresh outlook to diplomacy? *flamethrower* :P
Despite my...previous dealings...with Japan, they didn't have any bearing on the selection (in fact if there was any bias it would have been against Japan). Simply, the best offer won.

(After I posted the RfP originally I came across a design of Fyrwulf's for a 1935 CL. It's possible that that the domestic design company will protest and the Japanese design won't be built anyway...)

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Swamphen" (Feb 22nd 2007, 2:16pm)


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Thursday, February 22nd 2007, 3:09pm

... might be that you are currently suffering from the highly contageous U.F.D. (Ugly Funnel Disease, which is different from UFS - Ugly Funnel Syndrome) which caused you to blindly choose the Japanese design. :D

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Thursday, February 22nd 2007, 3:17pm

Well it looks like the Brazilians prefer high speed, and number of guns. Otherwise the Australian one would have won having much better AA, and better protection.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2007, 3:24pm

High speed was weighted a bit in the scoring (fastest ship got "0" instead of "1" while the next fastest went to "2").

The indiginous design actually has the best protection (4" belt and 4" deck- !!) but was penalised on speed and cost grounds (but removal of the torpedo bulkhead should allow for increased speed...)

Like I said, it's interesting news fodder. :evil:

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Friday, February 23rd 2007, 4:51am

[Swampy, if I were you I'd re-sim that design in SS3. The deck thickness mainly stemmed from the need to get the structural integrity closer to 1.00 without totally messing up the seakeeping or stability. You might be able to revise the draft without doing either and deduce the deck armour thickness.]

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Fyrwulf" (Feb 23rd 2007, 4:52am)


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Friday, February 23rd 2007, 5:05pm

Well for logistical reasons I'm not downloading SS3 until it's formally released, but I will give the domestic design a tweaking in SS2. :)

The end result will likely be a 'split acquisition' for two of the domestic design, to be followed once they clear the slips - er, docks - by two of the Japanese design-contest winner.

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Friday, February 23rd 2007, 6:29pm

*shrugs* I'll mess with it, then. PM, btw.