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I just reworked Navarra for this:

Navarra, Iberia Armoured Cruiser laid down 1908

Displacement:
14,359 t light; 15,018 t standard; 16,894 t normal; 18,396 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(639.76 ft / 626.64 ft) x 73.82 ft x (25.26 / 26.96 ft)
(195.00 m / 191.00 m) x 22.50 m x (7.70 / 8.22 m)

Armament:
8 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 421.80lbs / 191.33kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1908 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts , 1908 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
18 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.70lbs / 2.58kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts , 1908 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3,846 lbs / 3,846 kg
2 - 18.9" / 480 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.06" / 230 mm 357.61 ft / 109.00 m 10.30 ft / 3.14 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 269.03 ft / 82.00 m 10.30 ft / 3.14 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 357.61 ft / 109.00 m 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.06" / 230 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm - -
3rd: 2.36" / 60 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 9.06" / 230 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
ERROR: Revise drives, 5 shafts, 51,424 ihp / 38,362 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,379 tons

Complement:
740 - 963

Cost:
£1.296 million / $5.183 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 971 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 4,676 tons, 27.7 %
- Belts: 2,213 tons, 13.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,432 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 903 tons, 5.3 %
- Conning Tower: 128 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 3,224 tons, 19.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,902 tons, 34.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,535 tons, 15.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,412 lbs / 9,713 Kg = 50.8 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.506 / 0.516
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.49 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Average freeboard: 17.88 ft / 5.45 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.5 %
Waterplane Area: 30,990 Square feet or 2,879 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 622 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.09
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

reciprocating engines drive center screw, turbines outboard ones. Turbines are unreliable.
4 funnels
extensive staff facilities and boats for role as station flagship

for comparison's sake here is the SS2 result:

Navarra, Iberia CA laid down 1908

Displacement:
14,333 t light; 15,018 t standard; 16,894 t normal; 18,396 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
633.20 ft / 626.64 ft x 73.82 ft x 25.26 ft (normal load)
193.00 m / 191.00 m x 22.50 m x 7.70 m

Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x2 guns), 421.80lbs / 191.33kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns in single mounts, 421.80lbs / 191.33kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1908 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 5.65lbs / 2.56kg shells, 1908 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
10 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 5.65lbs / 2.56kg shells, 1908 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3,842 lbs / 1,743 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
3 - 18.9" / 480 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.06" / 230 mm 357.61 ft / 109.00 m 10.30 ft / 3.14 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 269.03 ft / 82.00 m 10.30 ft / 3.14 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 357.61 ft / 109.00 m 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.06" / 230 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 9.06" / 230 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
3rd: 5.91" / 150 mm - -
4th: 2.36" / 60 mm - -
5th: 2.36" / 60 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 9.06" / 230 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
Direct drive, 5 shafts, 51,424 ihp / 38,362 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,379 tons

Complement:
740 - 963

Cost:
£1.356 million / $5.426 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 480 tons, 2.8 %
Armour: 4,543 tons, 26.9 %
- Belts: 2,213 tons, 13.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,298 tons, 7.7 %
- Armour Deck: 903 tons, 5.3 %
- Conning Tower: 128 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 3,224 tons, 19.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,936 tons, 35.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,561 tons, 15.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,642 lbs / 8,910 Kg = 46.6 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 15.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.24

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.506
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.49 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m (12.47 ft / 3.80 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Stern: 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Average freeboard: 16.90 ft / 5.15 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.8 %
Waterplane Area: 30,990 Square feet or 2,879 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 633 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.01
- Longitudinal: 1.08
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

reciprocating engines drive center screw, turbines outboard ones. Turbines are unreliable.
4 funnels
extensive staff facilities and boats for role as station flagship

I just redid the design, fixing a mistake

relevant question here is the engine warning.

BTW does SS3b1 allow for the inefficiency of odd numbered engine setups?

IIRC, Holtrop-Mennen powering estimates allow for that (and much more besides). It hasn't been implemented yet, but will be in the final release.

Wonder if we'll get to pick the rudder size

The engine error is a bug that has been fixed for release in SS3b2

Ian

www.springsharp.com

ok, after further rework (ie another error on my side fixed):

Navarra, Iberia Armoured Cruiser laid down 1908

Displacement:
14,359 t light; 15,018 t standard; 16,894 t normal; 18,396 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(639.76 ft / 626.64 ft) x 73.82 ft x (25.26 / 26.96 ft)
(195.00 m / 191.00 m) x 22.50 m x (7.70 / 8.22 m)

Armament:
8 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 421.80lbs / 191.33kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1908 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts , 1908 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
18 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.70lbs / 2.59kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts , 1908 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 3,846 lbs / 3,846 kg
2 - 18.9" / 480 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.06" / 230 mm 367.45 ft / 112.00 m 10.30 ft / 3.14 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 259.19 ft / 79.00 m 10.30 ft / 3.14 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 367.45 ft / 112.00 m 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.06" / 230 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm - -
3rd: 2.36" / 60 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 9.06" / 230 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
ERROR: Revise drives, 5 shafts, 57,793 ihp / 43,114 Kw = 26.80 kts
Range 15,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,379 tons

Complement:
740 - 963

Cost:
£1.352 million / $5.406 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 971 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 4,562 tons, 27.0 %
- Belts: 2,239 tons, 13.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,292 tons, 7.7 %
- Armour Deck: 903 tons, 5.3 %
- Conning Tower: 128 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 3,623 tons, 21.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,616 tons, 33.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,535 tons, 15.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20,550 lbs / 9,321 Kg = 48.7 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.506 / 0.516
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.49 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Average freeboard: 17.88 ft / 5.45 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.5 %
Waterplane Area: 30,990 Square feet or 2,879 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 592 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.10
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

reciprocating engine drives center screw, turbines outboard ones. Turbines are unreliable.
4 funnels
extensive staff facilities and boats for role as station flagship

what is quite noticable that she is now nearly a knot faster on the same displacement and has 30 cm more freeboard.


Ian: i have found the pull-out report panel and I really like it! sadly it doesn't seem to be very reliable

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i have found the pull-out report panel and I really like it! sadly it doesn't seem to be very reliable

Please elaborate

Ian

www.springsharp.com

basically when i click into it in order to be able to scroll in it with the mousewheel it disappears again

Sorry,

The panel comes from Devcomponents and I am not sure that I can make it scroll with the mouse wheel.

There is always the old school way using the scroll bar

Ian

www.springsharp.com

that is OK, the real problem is that it disappears when just clicked into it. that can happen when one tries for the scrollbar and misses after all

G3 in SS3b1;

G3, Royal Navy Battlecruiser laid down 1921

Displacement:
46,607 t light; 48,907 t standard; 51,686 t normal; 53,909 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(856.00 ft / 849.20 ft) x 106.00 ft x (34.64 / 35.80 ft)
(260.91 m / 258.84 m) x 32.31 m x (10.56 / 10.91 m)

Armament:
9 - 16.00" / 406 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2,048.00lbs / 928.96kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1921 Model
2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft
16 - 6.00" / 152 mm 50.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1922 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
2 raised mounts
4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
2 raised mounts
6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 43.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 175 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts , 1925 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
40 - 1.59" / 40.5 mm 39.0 cal guns - 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1,800 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts , 1923 Model
4 x 2 row octuple mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
1 raised mount
Weight of broadside 20,412 lbs / 20,412 kg
2 - 24.5" / 622 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.9" / 329 mm 552.00 ft / 168.25 m 14.25 ft / 4.34 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 545.00 ft / 166.12 m 28.00 ft / 8.53 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 17.0" / 432 mm 9.20" / 234 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 4.66" / 118 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 159,960 shp / 119,330 Kw = 30.71 kts
Range 8,500nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,002 tons

Complement:
1,713 - 2,228

Cost:
£11.060 million / $44.241 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4,316 tons, 8.4 %
Armour: 15,866 tons, 30.7 %
- Belts: 4,342 tons, 8.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 847 tons, 1.6 %
- Armament: 4,454 tons, 8.6 %
- Armour Deck: 5,804 tons, 11.2 %
- Conning Tower: 419 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 5,508 tons, 10.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 22,920 tons, 44.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,079 tons, 9.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
79,706 lbs / 36,154 Kg = 38.9 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 10.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 6.9 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.580 / 0.586
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.01 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.55 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 24.00 %, 32.00 ft / 9.75 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Forward deck: 26.00 %, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Aft deck: 38.00 %, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Quarter deck: 12.00 %, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Average freeboard: 27.48 ft / 8.38 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 197.9 %
Waterplane Area: 67,324 Square feet or 6,255 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 237 lbs/sq ft or 1,159 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.06
- Longitudinal: 1.68
- Overall: 1.11
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Along the way, it seems that there is a bug in that setting the mounts to zero on any of the gun batteries brings up an error message "Reduce armour or increase displacement". Also, the torpedo mounting positions are non-functional, although they can be input. I assume that part of the program isn't ready yet, though.

One query: how feasible would it be to allow the user to select the displacement at which performance is calculated. To simplify, you'd probably restrict it to normal and full load displacements, just using the same equations on one or other set of dimensions and coefficients. No big deal if it would be too difficult to implement at this stage, though.

Since SS is on the other computer, I'm holding off on downloading the new version until V3 is complete.

However I just had a thought, perhaps for the next version if it's too late for V3 - a "catapult/aircraft" setting (perhaps as part of the misc. weight)? Number of cats, number of planes, perhaps location...

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Originally posted by Swamphen
Since SS is on the other computer, I'm holding off on downloading the new version until V3 is complete.

However I just had a thought, perhaps for the next version if it's too late for V3 - a "catapult/aircraft" setting (perhaps as part of the misc. weight)? Number of cats, number of planes, perhaps location...

That would be awfully useful.

Develop it further and we could accurately sim carriers.

Does SS3 sim out negative bow angles better than SS2? Like for ram bows and predreadnoughts?

What I would like to see are versions dedicated to submarines and carriers, that would be really useful.

Ithekro, yes it does. still not quite happy with it, but much better.