WesWorld

SpringSharp 3 is a major, major, major rewrite of Springsharp. Major structural changes, whilst invisible, have been made  80% of the code has been changed or replaced. Even this underestimates the effort put into this update. Research and experimentation has taken up a lot of the time since the last release.

Given how long it has been since the last update and how much work has been done we thought it was necessary to release the first beta now and as widely as possible rather than use the closed beta testing of the last update.

If you trial this Beta  Please send me copies of ships that you have developed with it, especially real world ships. If you find problems or find bugs please bear in mind that this is a beta and an early beta. THERE WILL BE MANY BUGS WITH THIS PROGRAM. Please send us your problems, comments and recommendations (and what you like about it) to rossgowan@optusnet.com.au.

Some of the many new capabilities have been added:
" The program window is more flexible. A report page can be displayed beside the data input pages.

" The Hull page is neater and more logical. You can choose to enter the overall length and work back to the waterline length or the other round. You do not need to calculate the maximum underwater length. Maximum Draught, Block Coefficient and Displacement are displayed on this page. These assume minimal impact from the flare or tumblehome of the hull on the estimated waterplane area.

" The Freeboard page is totally new. The picture is interactive and can be saved. It shows you what the current text box affects. It draws the hull as you enter it. Structurally, SpringSharp has been reworked to be deck-oriented. It is divided into 4 decks  The forecastle and quarter deck being the unarmed ends and the Forward and Aft Decks being the upper deck forward and aft of the mid break, mid point or where the hull shear starts. The text boxes have been re-organised so that each deck is in its own row. Deck lengths, freeboard at the front of the decks, freeboard at the back of the decks and description of the ends each have their own column. To replace the need to estimate the underwater length you can now enter the length of a protruding ram.

" The Guns page is also totally new. It combines all the gun, gun mounts and armour entries from 3 separate pages and puts in one page. It has a separate page for each of 5 battery types allowed and expands these to be in 2 groups. It ties the gun weight to a far more accurate calculation based on the calibre length of the barrel. This has been tested and calibrated against over 300 guns with data from Brasseys and John Campbell etc. The location of the guns both horizontally and vertically is displayed interactively on the page. Vertical location is improved by allowing mounts to be two mounts (or decks, whichever is greater) above or below the deck height. Magazines (RPG) can now be entered for each battery.

" The Weapons page is still under construction and will be completed prior to final release. It will allow far more information about torpedoes. Two different batteries of torpedoes will be able to be specified with more flexibility on length and mounting than ever before. Weights and size of the torpedoes has been calibrated against 90 different real world torpedoes. Mines, Depth Chares and mortars will be able to be included as more than miscellaneous weight. To top that off the location of other miscellaneous weights will be able to be specified and will affect the design integrity differently.

" The Armour page is also still under construction. It will add the ability to specify the angle of the main belt, the type of bulkhead, whether and by how much the torpedo bulkhead reduces the internal beam due to unusable voids etc. The armour deck will be able to be defined as to whether it covers vitals or not. A second conning tower will be able to be included.

" The Engine page once it is completed will switch to a Holtrup-Mennan resistance model. This will over come problems with ram bows and transom sterns. This page will the last step before the program goes out of Beta.

It is intended that new betas will be uploaded every even month and will include bug fixes and further changes.

Ian

www.springsharp.com

Yay!!! Going to download now.....

OK, haven't tried anything historical yet, but I did do the WesWorld Admiral Hipper. The changes are showing up in a few places: less sea-keeping with the same freeboard, less stability, less internal space. The latter could be because, with the ability to set ammo for all weapons, I may have loaded more ammo for the lighter weapons than SS2 did. One thing I definitely missed was the button to install a default freeboard.


Admiral Hipper (SS3), German Heavy Cruiser laid down 1930

Displacement:
12,938 t light; 13,570 t standard; 14,832 t normal; 15,842 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(678.77 ft / 656.17 ft) x 68.90 ft x (22.97 / 24.09 ft)
(206.89 m / 200.00 m) x 21.00 m x (7.00 / 7.34 m)

Armament:
9 - 8.27" / 210 mm 60.0 cal guns - 309.51lbs / 140.39kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1930 Model
3 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
14 - 4.13" / 105 mm 65.0 cal guns - 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts , 1928 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft evenly spread
1 raised mount
12 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 83.0 cal guns - 1.54lbs / 0.70kg shells, 450 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts , 1929 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
24 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 65.0 cal guns - 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 900 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts , 1928 Model
12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,304 lbs / 3,304 kg
16 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 426.51 ft / 130.00 m 9.97 ft / 3.04 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.27" / 210 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 7.09" / 180 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 90,550 shp / 67,550 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,272 tons

Complement:
671 - 873

Cost:
£5.291 million / $21.165 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,028 tons, 6.9 %
Armour: 3,520 tons, 23.7 %
- Belts: 1,050 tons, 7.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 796 tons, 5.4 %
- Armour Deck: 1,597 tons, 10.8 %
- Conning Tower: 77 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,744 tons, 18.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,034 tons, 40.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,895 tons, 12.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 130 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,491 lbs / 8,841 Kg = 69.0 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 16.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.509
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.34 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 33.46 ft / 10.20 m, 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.67 ft / 6.30 m, 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 20.67 ft / 6.30 m, 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 20.67 ft / 6.30 m, 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Average freeboard: 21.69 ft / 6.61 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.1 %
Waterplane Area: 31,324 Square feet or 2,910 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 611 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.35
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

50 tons reserved for reload torpedoes and handling equipment

80 tons reserved for aircraft facilities and future growth

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Admiral Hipper (SS2), Germany Heavy Cruiser laid down 1930

Displacement:
12,970 t light; 13,570 t standard; 14,832 t normal; 15,842 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
678.77 ft / 656.17 ft x 68.90 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
206.89 m / 200.00 m x 21.00 m x 7.00 m

Armament:
9 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (3x3 guns), 330.69lbs / 150.00kg shells, 1930 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (6x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1930 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
2 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (1x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1930 Model
Dual purpose guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
12 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1930 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
24 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1930 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,495 lbs / 1,585 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
16 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 426.51 ft / 130.00 m 9.97 ft / 3.04 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.27" / 210 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 7.09" / 180 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
5th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 90,550 shp / 67,550 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,272 tons

Complement:
671 - 873

Cost:
£4.849 million / $19.398 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 383 tons, 2.6 %
Armour: 3,568 tons, 24.1 %
- Belts: 1,050 tons, 7.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 844 tons, 5.7 %
- Armour Deck: 1,597 tons, 10.8 %
- Conning Tower: 77 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,744 tons, 18.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,146 tons, 41.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,862 tons, 12.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,713 lbs / 9,849 Kg = 76.8 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 15.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.34 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 33.46 ft / 10.20 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.95 ft / 7.30 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Stern: 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Average freeboard: 22.58 ft / 6.88 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.7 %
Waterplane Area: 31,324 Square feet or 2,910 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 616 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.46
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

50 tons reserved for reload torpedoes and handling equipment

80 tons reserved for aircraft facilities and future growth

Tres cool!

Once I work out the kinks in my new computer maybe I'll give it a try.

I've got mine to have a tinker with. I've simmed my new sloop Project 613, it's much stronger and I have a bit of excess weight.

Project 613, Argentina Yacht/ Sloop laid down 1934

Displacement:
968 t light; 999 t standard; 1,206 t normal; 1,372 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(280.37 ft / 275.10 ft) x 33.63 ft x (10.99 / 12.00 ft)
(85.46 m / 83.85 m) x 10.25 m x (3.35 / 3.66 m)

Armament:
2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts , 1934 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
1 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 20.0 cal gun - 5.00lbs / 2.27kg shells, 50 per gun
Breech loading gun in deck mount , 1920 Model
1 x Single mount on sides, aft deck forward
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.26lbs / 0.12kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts , 1932 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 66 lbs / 66 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 5,000 ihp / 3,730 Kw = 20.37 kts
Range 4,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 372 tons

Complement:
102 - 133

Cost:
£0.377 million / $1.508 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 13 tons, 1.1 %
Armour: 5 tons, 0.4 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 5 tons, 0.4 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 281 tons, 23.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 577 tons, 47.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 238 tons, 19.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 8.3 %
- Hull below water: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,512 lbs / 1,140 Kg = 82.3 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 10.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.415 / 0.432
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.18 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.59 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Forward deck: 45.00 %, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Aft deck: 20.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 15.31 ft / 4.67 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166.6 %
Waterplane Area: 5,748 Square feet or 534 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 172 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 241 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 5.43
- Overall: 1.10
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Here is the SS2
Bahia Blanca Project 613, Argentina Yacht/ Sloop laid down 1934

Displacement:
967 t light; 999 t standard; 1,206 t normal; 1,371 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
280.37 ft / 275.10 ft x 33.63 ft x 10.99 ft (normal load)
85.46 m / 83.85 m x 10.25 m x 3.35 m

Armament:
2 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.42lbs / 13.80kg shells, 1932 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount
1 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 5.51lbs / 2.50kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading gun in deck mount
on side amidships
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward
Weight of broadside 67 lbs / 30 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 5,000 ihp / 3,730 Kw = 20.37 kts
Range 4,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 372 tons

Complement:
101 - 132

Cost:
£0.394 million / $1.574 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 8 tons, 0.7 %
Armour: 3 tons, 0.3 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 281 tons, 23.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 525 tons, 43.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 239 tons, 19.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 12.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,245 lbs / 1,018 Kg = 73.6 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 11.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.415
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.18 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.59 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Mid (65 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m (9.84 ft / 3.00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Stern: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 15.31 ft / 4.67 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.2 %
Waterplane Area: 5,748 Square feet or 534 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 154 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 219 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.83
- Longitudinal: 4.93
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

What's the difference between a triple mount and a 3-gun mount?

Judging by the effects (tonnage goes up if you use a 3-gun vs a triple), I'd guess that the triple mount is three guns in a single cradle/slide, while a 3-gun mount has separate cradles/slides for each gun (which allows them to be elevated individually). Corresponds to the definitions here: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/Gun_Data…t%20Definitions

Thanks. Thought it was something like that, but wasn't sure which was which.

Wow, sounds like an enormous amount of terrifically appreciated work. Thanks so very much Ian.

Now to try it out

Haven't tried it out yet, but am excited by the switch to Holtrop-Mennen for powering requirements. I presume there will be a second beta closer to release date, or will that and the "Weapons" tab fall into a second release?

Hrolf, there is a default freeboard key, its the Flush Deck tab just below the picture.

It can use your SS2 files too and it seems not to change very much BUT...SS3 dislikes fast torpedo boats around 600tons and below even more than SS2. I'm finding destroyers a bit harder to make work with it but once the final version comes out with all the bells on I'll just love it. The freeboard drawing helps to visualise what your doing and what looks right. So far I'm happy.

Destroyers will work better by the time the resistance model is changed

Ian

www.springsharp.com

How about MTB's?

very nice.

I am really looking forward to play around with DC and mines. If you want a 2 main launchers of torpedoes ( like a normal destroyer) to you put in one primary and one secondary or both in the primary?

I will put in some more comments when I have tried it out some more.

On the torpedoes, I'm expecting you'd put both on the primary, unless they're in different mountings or of different sizes. Some French DDs, for instance, had one bank of torpedoes on the centerline, then another pair of banks that were sided, so you could use the primary mount for the centerline bank and the secondary mounts for the sided banks.

Here's a Paris class battlecruiser. I really like the ability to sim gun caliber in a couple different locations, and being able to specify the ammo load for each.

Paris class, French Battlecruiser laid down 1934

Displacement:
39,480 t light; 41,626 t standard; 47,329 t normal; 51,893 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(881.59 ft / 871.39 ft) x 90.22 ft (Bulges 106.96 ft) x (32.32 / 35.11 ft)
(268.71 m / 265.60 m) x 27.50 m (Bulges 32.60 m) x (9.85 / 10.70 m)

Armament:
6 - 15.00" / 381 mm 40.0 cal guns - 2,039.28lbs / 925.00kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1934 Model
2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 551.16lbs / 250.00kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts , 1934 Model
2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
12 - 4.72" / 120 mm 50.0 cal guns - 61.73lbs / 28.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts , 1934 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
56 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 2.14lbs / 0.97kg shells, 600 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts , 1934 Model
2 x Quad mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 x Quad mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 16,403 lbs / 16,403 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 492.13 ft / 150.00 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: 1.18" / 30 mm 379.27 ft / 115.60 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 492.13 ft / 150.00 m 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 7.09" / 180 mm 11.0" / 280 mm
2nd: 13.8" / 350 mm 7.09" / 180 mm 11.0" / 280 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

- Armour deck: 4.72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 219,611 shp / 163,830 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 12,800nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 10,267 tons

Complement:
1,603 - 2,085

Cost:
£16.693 million / $66.771 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,219 tons, 4.7 %
Armour: 12,554 tons, 26.5 %
- Belts: 3,428 tons, 7.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 941 tons, 2.0 %
- Armament: 2,859 tons, 6.0 %
- Armour Deck: 4,993 tons, 10.5 %
- Conning Tower: 333 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 6,318 tons, 13.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 19,008 tons, 40.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,850 tons, 16.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 0.5 %
- Hull below water: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
72,725 lbs / 32,987 Kg = 43.1 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 10.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 19.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.71
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.555
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.15 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 34.05 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 24.00 %, 38.06 ft / 11.60 m, 28.05 ft / 8.55 m
- Forward deck: 26.00 %, 28.05 ft / 8.55 m, 27.56 ft / 8.40 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 27.56 ft / 8.40 m, 27.23 ft / 8.30 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 27.23 ft / 8.30 m, 28.87 ft / 8.80 m
- Average freeboard: 28.72 ft / 8.75 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 187.1 %
Waterplane Area: 57,122 Square feet or 5,307 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 131 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 206 lbs/sq ft or 1,008 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.40
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

they banned it on navalism.

but i love 3.0.

Just until the quirks are figured out I imagine. On the other hand, it migh not be fit to design ships of the Predreadnought, ealry dreadnought era.

It's probably more a matter of consistency.

Each version does things somewhat differently, which might translate into someone who's done a ship in SS 3.0 being more capable than a ship designed a week ago in 2.0 (or vice versa), soley because of the differences in the program. Also, since most of the ships are already done in 2.0, the alternative is either to continue using that software (for the time being), or redo every single design in 3.0...and then adjust the building costs, etc, etc.

As I recall, there's been minor problems in Wesworld between some of the older designs from the begining of the sim being unable to be duplicated in the current spring programs, which has lead to headaches when trying to modernize some designs.

I think that once SS3 is good to go we should just pick a date and ships after that get done to that standard.

Yes, we might see some falldown, or improvements, but we've done that before with the design rules- changed min hull str on CLs, the transom stern limiters, etc.