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Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 5:00am

United States Q4/27

4th Quarter 1927
Total # of Factories-Factories for Naval Cons.-Factories for IP-Dedicated IP Factories
26-15 for 15000 tons+2000-11 for 1.1 IP-11 for 1.1 IP in Q4/27

Surplus Tons-Tons Used-Leftover Tonnage
468-16836-632

Ships under Construction
Ship’s Name-L/D-Shipyard-Q/Y-Tons/Q-Status
CA Northampton-Q2/27-League Island T 3 Slip-3Q/7-1411-Launched
CA Louisville-Q2/27-League Island T 3 Slip-3Q/7-1411-Launched
CL Phoenix-Q2/27-Boston T 2 Slip-3Q/6-1243-Launched
CL Helena-Q2/27-Norfolk T 2 Slip-3Q/6-1243-Launched
CL Sault Saint Marie-Q2/27-Bremerton T 2 Slip-3Q/6-1243-Launched
CL Cleveland-Q2/27-Bremerton T 2 Slip-3Q/6-1243-Launched
CL Dodge City-Q2/27-San Francisco T 2 Slip-3Q/6-1243-Launched
BM Monadnock-Q2/27-Seattle T1 Slip-3Q/4-1007-Afloat
BM Onondaga-Q2/27-San Francisco T1 Slip-3Q/4-1007-Afloat
BM Tippecanoe-Q2/27-Camden T1 Slip-3Q/4-1007-Afloat
CA Chester-Q4/27-New York T 3 Slip-1Q/7-1411-Laid Down
CA Chicago-Q4/27-Norfolk T 3 Slip-1Q/7-1411-Laid Down
CBB Almirante Gideon-Q1/27-Mare Island T2 Slip-4Q/8-1956-Launched

Ships Under Repair, Refit, Rebuilding, or Reconstruction
Ship’s Name-Started-Shipyard-Q/Y-Tons/Q-Status
BB Santa Anna Reconstruction-Q3/27-New Orleans T1 DD -2Q/6-1416*-Reconstructing

Ships Being Scrapped
Ship’s Name-Started-Shipyard-Q/Y-Tons/Rec.-Status

Industrial Production
Project-Total IP Req.-IP Allocated-IP Remaining
Create Type 1 Port at Wake Island-3-1.4-Completed
Upgrade Norfolk T0S to T1S-1-0.8-0.2

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Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 2:49pm

Any ship designs for Northampton or Helena?

3

Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 7:15pm

Helena is in my encyclopedia, she's a Columbia class CL which is an upgraded Omaha based on a design Alt Naval did on his Naval Counterfactual site. I'll get the other CA's up this weekend.

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Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 7:29pm

I'm assuming here (which is always a dangerous thing to do) that the Northamptons are as historical or very close to it?

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Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 7:50pm

Pretty much, though they have better armor.

Northampton, United States Heavy Cruiser laid down 1927

Displacement:
9,873 t light; 10,281 t standard; 11,723 t normal; 12,877 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
600.10 ft / 582.00 ft x 66.00 ft x 24.50 ft (normal load)
182.91 m / 177.39 m x 20.12 m x 7.47 m

Armament:
9 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (3x3 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1927 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 2,554 lbs / 1,158 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 389.00 ft / 118.57 m 9.75 ft / 2.97 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 1.50" / 38 mm 4.00" / 102 mm

- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 92,504 shp / 69,008 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,596 tons

Complement:
563 - 732

Cost:
£3.718 million / $14.873 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 319 tons, 2.7 %
Armour: 1,743 tons, 14.9 %
- Belts: 633 tons, 5.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 394 tons, 3.4 %
- Armour Deck: 672 tons, 5.7 %
- Conning Tower: 44 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 2,920 tons, 24.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,791 tons, 40.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,850 tons, 15.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,026 lbs / 5,908 Kg = 50.9 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.436
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.82 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 29.50 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.60 ft / -0.79 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.00 ft / 9.75 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 27.60 ft / 8.41 m
- Mid (45 %): 23.25 ft / 7.09 m (16.20 ft / 4.94 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (27 %): 17.10 ft / 5.21 m
- Stern: 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Average freeboard: 21.73 ft / 6.62 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.7 %
Waterplane Area: 24,231 Square feet or 2,251 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 579 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.91
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 9:30pm

No machine guns?

7

Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 9:37pm


Kato, you fool!! You shouldn't have said that! Now he will redo the design to remove the weakness!!!
:-)

8

Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 9:56pm

The weapons are based on the original design and don't take into account the greater air threat in our universe. Thanks for reminding me to change it though! :)

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Wednesday, June 8th 2005, 10:10pm

Well it looks like Mitchell's tests didn't have any influence on the high ranking officers thinking then...

10

Thursday, June 9th 2005, 12:58am

Mistake number one: officers and thinking in the same sentence.

AIGF,
RLBH

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Thursday, June 9th 2005, 4:30am

I think the Navy's hatred of Mitchell overrode any test results. He apparently was quite abrasive to say the least.