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Friday, July 19th 2019, 5:26pm

Don't forget the McDonnell XF-88 (1948 ) and Lockheed XF-90 (1949). A long time ago my plans had Mexico eventually developing a swept wing jet interceptor with US (and British and Japanese) jet engines. That could have been an additional avenue for the US to have developed swept wing technology in either a quid-pro-quo or a joint-development effort.

If you guys want I could put something together for US jet aircraft developments for this time period based on WW changes (no Seversky, no WWII, different jet engines).

Edit: I just noticed the Fokker D.XXIX, considering the close relationship between Fokker and NAA that's another avenue for a swept wing P-86 development program.

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Friday, July 19th 2019, 6:22pm

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A long time ago my plans had Mexico eventually developing a swept wing jet interceptor with US (and British and Japanese) jet engines.

Japanese jet engines? Me know nothing! *quickly hides the large pile of crates marked 'destination: Mexico' * :D

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Friday, July 19th 2019, 7:14pm

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If you guys want I could put something together for US jet aircraft developments for this time period based on WW changes (no Seversky, no WWII, different jet engines).


I for one do not think that will be necessary at this stage of the game.

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Friday, July 19th 2019, 7:25pm

I assume the plan is to end the sim at 1950?

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Friday, July 19th 2019, 7:37pm

I assume the plan is to end the sim at 1950?


To the best of my knowledge, there is no complete consensus on the subject. However, given the small number of active players and their commitments in real life, to me is seems unlikely; but I speak only for myself.

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Saturday, July 20th 2019, 6:09pm

Hôtel de Vendôme, Paris, Tuesday, 25 April 1949

Having spent a number of weeks examining the offerings of most of Europe’s arms and vehicle manufacturers, as well as observing the performance of such equipment under simulated combat conditions in the Russian-sponsored Militariad, the members of the Philippine Technical Commission had reassembled in Paris to consider the final recommendations that they would submit to their government.

Colonel Magundayao formally called to order the meeting of the senior members of the committee; Lieutenant Colonel Garovillo, representing the armor branch; Lieutenant Colonel Monasterio, representing the artillery branch; Major Delgado, representing the infantry branch; and Captain Estrada, a specialist in aviation.

“Gentlemen, the time has come to get down to brass tacks. Garovillo, your recommendations?”

“As we have previously discussed sir the Army’s primary need is to update and expand its mechanized and motorized scouting forces. Even cutting requirements to the bone and handing down existing equipment to other units leaves our requirements at nearly six hundred light armored vehicles, aside from infantry carriers.”

Magundayao looked at his notes and grimaced. “Our technical staff rates the British equipment – the Ferret scout car, the Saracen armored car, and the Saladin troop carrier highly but…”

They all were aware of the problem. Though excellent in terms of design the Saracen and Saladin vehicles would not be available in any numbers for at least a year, and they would be expensive to acquire and to operate. Garovillo went on…

“Yes, but the French have made a counter-proposal that I do not believe we can ignore. The Hotchkiss VLD can be configured to fill the reconnaissance, liaison, and support role for which we need new vehicles; they are perhaps not perfect but they have the advantage of commonality, a great boon to maintenance.”

“And overall the package would be less expensive?”

“Absolutely! Not only that – Hotchkiss has offered to enter an arrangement for later deliveries to be made in kit form for local assembly, and they are at least willing to discuss license production for the future.”

Given the perennial need to stretch funds to the maximum extent possible, this was a factor that appealed to them all.

“Very well, that settles that. Our French friends win round one. What about tanks?”

Garovillo picked another file folder. “I’d love to equip our units with the British Centurion or the German Panther or the Russian T-47 – they are among the best tanks in the world – but they were not designed for our country.”

Delgado said the magic word. “Bridges.”

“Yes – there is not a bridge in the islands that could support their weight. Which is why our initial recommendations were to acquire a small number of Montbruns to issue to the armored regiments and replace retain our M45 medium tanks for the time being. Again, the French have made us an offer we cannot refuse.”

Garovillo explained that the French had offered several hundred of their older Char-8 Montbrun medium tanks out of their reserve stocks, and the only cost to the Philippine Army would be the charges to bring them up to the current Char-8A4bis standards.

Magundayao kept his thoughts on French generosity to himself. He recalled the old proverb, “The enemy of my enemy might be my friend.” Garovillo continued with the details of the plan to shuffle the Army’s tank inventory about and leverage the new vehicles that would be acquired. That covered the two greatest concerns that had prompted sending the mission half-way around the world. At last he turned to Monasterio. “And your branch’s needs?”

“Other that the additional CA-6B self-propelled howitzers Colonel Garovillo has already discussed my only recommendation is to consider the Yugoslav M47 recoilless gun to augment our mountain artillery. And I would not rate it a top priority – we acquired new mountain guns from Skoda not too many months ago. I would suggest acquiring a small number for troop trials.”

Delgado spoke up. “If we acquire some for trials, I would suggest considering them as replacements for our current group of antitank guns.” Magundayao appreciated Delgado’s brevity; and he made a note to write a personal recommendation for acquiring a small number of the ‘funny cannon’.

They considered a number of other needs and reviewed the recommendations before them. Small arms, motor transport, engineer equipment, even rations – they had looked at many things on their mission.

“Estrada, you have been very quiet.”

“Yes sir. I realize that the needs of the armor and artillery branches are the primary reason the Mission was sent here. Moreover, the argument could – and likely would – be made that helicopters belong in the Air Force’s wheelhouse. But we cannot ignore them; particularly to deploy troops in difficult country like Mindanao.”

Magundayao could not deny Estrada’s observations. The demonstrations of French, German, and Russian rotary wing aircraft they had witnessed had left powerful impressions on all of them. “So, what would you recommend?”

Estrada shrugged. “Pilot training would be the first priority. I am only qualified to fly civilian light aircraft but our French friends trusted me sufficiently to take the controls of one of their SH.20 Cigale helicopters under the watchful eye of the primary pilot. There are special techniques to be learned but conversion training should not be difficult. Acquiring a small number of machines like the SH.20 or the German Fa336 would be a start.”

Monasterio interjected. “Aren’t they the same aircraft? I thought the Germans were building the SH.20 under license from the French?”

“They are, so it becomes a question of who do we buy from? And that depends in large measure if we chose to opt for any larger machines.”

There were nods around the table.

“The French SH.40 and its Russian counterpart, the Sikorsky 19, are about at the limit of what the Air Force would allow us to operate. Something as large or complex as the German Wf21 or the French SH.30 they would demand to have in their own inventory.”

“And they would be correct.” Lieutenant Colonel Monasterio was not enamored with the concept of Army aviation.

“We can fight that battle later Colonel.” Magundayao was more forward thinking. “Very well then. I think we are in general agreement with most if not all our recommendations. Before we depart for Manila Friday morning let us concentrate in nailing down the terms of the agreements made with the French authorities so that we can lay complete details before the Chief of Staff.”

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Wednesday, July 24th 2019, 9:52am

Britain, Belgium and the Netherlands are sad to come away empty handed but its a competitive market in Europe at the moment, and the Benelux vehicles are probably dated compared to the latest stuff around.

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Wednesday, July 24th 2019, 11:55am

Britain, Belgium and the Netherlands are sad to come away empty handed but its a competitive market in Europe at the moment, and the Benelux vehicles are probably dated compared to the latest stuff around.


Sad but true; the market is very competitive - particularly when a competitor makes an offer you cannot refuse due to the give-away prices. :whistling:

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Wednesday, July 24th 2019, 1:34pm

Sounds more like someone woke up with the head of his favorite horse in his bed... :)

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Wednesday, July 31st 2019, 3:41pm

Aéroport de Paris-Le Bourget, Friday, 29 April 1949

The members of the Philippine Technical Commission filed out of the VIP lounge to board the Air France flight that would begin their homeward journey. Their French hosts had come to wish them bon voyage with true enthusiasm. As the aircraft’s door closed behind the last member of the delegation a small exchange among the Frenchmen touched upon their expectations.

“Any indication of the decisions those gentlemen have made?”

“They have been very close-mouthed; but they asked several times for additional information on the offer of co-production Hotchkiss has made.”

“Yes,” answered the smiling Hotchkiss representative. “Their interest was quite strong, and I have little doubt we have snatched that aspect of their shopping list from the Rosbifs.”

“Garovillo asked how long it would take to refurbish a batch of Montbruns once they were taken out of reserve. He seemed very happy with the answer.”

“That’s another indication of the way the wind is blowing. I believe the Minister will be satisfied.”

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Sunday, August 4th 2019, 7:57pm

Philippine News and Events, May, 1949

The Manila Times, Tuesday, 3 May 1949

The Military Technical Commission arrived at Nichols Field this morning, completing its return from an extensive survey of the military equipment available in Europe to meet the nation’s needs for military modernization. It is expected that the Commission will brief Minister of Defense De la Vega on its recommendations either tomorrow or Thursday, after which these will be considered by the entire Council of Ministers. A presentation to the Military Affairs Committee of the Senate is expected early next week, with debate by the full Senate following. Giving the importance of the challenges now facing the Army swift decisions can be expected.

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Thursday, August 8th 2019, 2:42pm

The Freeman (Cebu), Friday, 6 May 1949

Today will go down in Philippine naval history as a Red-Letter day!

The Butuan Naval Shipyard Is due to launch no less than four ocean escorts for the strengthening of the fleet – the Numancia, the Magallanes, the Canalejas, and the Casco are due to slide the ways in succession during special ceremonies superintended by President Cayetano Arellano himself.


The Manila Chronicle, Saturday, 7 May 1949

The light cruiser Benguet was delivered to the Navy this morning following her completion at the Cavite Navy Yard. She will now undergo builders’ trials and operational training before joining the fleet in November. She is followed by three sister vessels, which are presently in varied stages of construction at the Cavite yard.

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Tuesday, August 13th 2019, 2:06am

The Malacañan Palace, Monday, 9 May 1949

Formal meetings of the Council of Ministers were normally very much cut-and-dried affairs. Minister of Defense Don Joaquin de la Vega was uncertain whether today’s meeting would follow this path. The Military Technical Commission had returned from its European visit with a lengthy list of recommendations that could easily spark lively arguments, despite the fact that the projected overall costs of executing its recommendations would be far less than what had been projected before the Commission departed earlier in the year. The principal concern was whether those who were leery of getting too close to one friend could muster sufficient strength to oppose adoption of the recommendations.

After his own opening remarks De La Vega called upon the chairman of the Commission, Colonel Magundayao, to lay out the principal items of discussion.

“Gentlemen, to meet even the minimum requirements of the Army for motorized reconnaissance forces we would need to procure more than five hundred light armored vehicles in different categories, as summarized here.” He pointed to a briefing chart. “By adopting the Hotchkiss VLD tactical scout vehicle in its varied forms these requirements can be met at minimum cost. The Hotchkiss firm has offered offsets and technical assistance to permit progressive local assembly of the vehicles in our country, and eventually license manufacture of the vehicle in a factory they are willing help us erect. While not as sophisticated as some of the European designs shown to us the Hotchkiss VLD is simple to construct, service, and maintain. The overall cost of the initial procurement quantity – allowing for local assembly and content – is more than thirty percent less than the next option.”

Minister of Finance Jaime Hernández nodded. “I am pleased that the Army is so solicitous regarding the national budget. Cannot this ‘minimum requirement’ be reduced further?”

Magundayao was about to open his mouth when President Arellano spoke up. “Jaime, the Council discussed this matter and set the requirements months ago; now is not the time to revisit it.”

“But the Army…” his voice trailed off. The Finance Minister advocated penny-pinching then and was voted down. He would be unable to revive it now.

Magundayao was able to explain the need for additional quantities of the Panhard infantry carrier without much in the way of questions. His recommendations for the procurement of some four hundred Char-8A4bis medium tanks prompted immediate reactions from Hernandez as well as from Vice President Manuel Roxas.

“Four hundred tanks? How can we manage to afford that? When the council approved the limits of your ‘shopping list’ such numbers were not contemplated.”

“Senor Vice President, these vehicles are not fresh from the factory; they would be withdrawn from the French Army’s reserve stocks and brought up to the latest specifications prior to delivery – and the French have offered to charge us no more than the cost of refurbishment, which we estimated is about one-fifth the cost of a new vehicle. You will see the details of the proposal in Annex Five of our report.”

The members of the Council paused while they read the specifics of the French offer; and then there was an undercurrent of murmuring. “Colonel, what are *your* thoughts as to why the French are being so generous?”

“Senor Vice President, that is more a political question that is not my place to answer; from a military standpoint, a strong and capable ally in the Far East is of great benefit to France in the event of any hostilities between France, Indochina, and any of their neighbors.”

That was the question. Would accepting such a generous offer be akin to crossing the Rubicon on the way to a formal alliance with France? While De La Vega steered the briefing though the rest of the Commission’s recommendations this question, unspoken, featured larger and larger. The final answer would not lie here but rather in the Senate.

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Thursday, August 15th 2019, 3:07pm

The Manila Chronicle, Friday, 13 May 1949

The Senate today began debate on the proposed Military Defense Act, which would provide significantly increased spending for the re-equipment of the Philippine Army.


The Mindanao Post, Sunday, 15 May 1949

The antisubmarine gunboats Vigía and Atalaya, having completed their operational training, have now been assigned regular duties with the Southern Patrol Force.

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Monday, August 19th 2019, 9:03pm

The Philippine Herald, Thursday, 19 May 1949

Late yesterday the Senate, after extended debate, adopted the Military Defense Act of 1949, which provides increased funding for the Philippine Army and re-equipment of many of its units with modern armaments, all of which will assure the defense of the nation against the ever-present threat of Chinese aggression.

Speaking to reporters after the vote Don Pedro Teves, lately returned from Cleito where he has represented the nation for several years, announced the results of the Senate’s deliberations with fulsome praise.

“While the Navy and the Air Force serve as the nation’s first line of defense, the Philippine Army must be prepared to defend our way of life against the grasping imperialism of China and its ambitions to dominate East Asia. The Senate has now shown its willingness to provide the Army with the tools it requires to fulfill that role.”

Among other things the Military Defense Act provides for the acquisition from France of three hundred and fifty refurbished examples of the Char-8A4bis Montbrun medium tank – and the first of these is expected to be delivered by late summer; the acquisition of five hundred fifty examples of the Hotchkiss Véhicule léger de Découverte light armored vehicle is several different configurations – while the first examples will be delivered by the manufacturer in the early autumn, it has been announced that the later batches will be delivered in kit form for local assembly in the Philippines. Approximately three hundred additional examples of the Panhard Mle1941 Infantry Combat Vehicle will be procured to re-equip the Army’s motorized infantry battalions. Forty additional examples of the French CA-6B self-propelled howitzers are also to be delivered, to provide mobile artillery support for the Army’s mechanized brigades.

The Act also authorizes the formation of a separate Army air contingent, which is intended to operate in close cooperation with units in the field. No details have been announced at this time as to what equipment will be provided to this new arm of service but there has been speculation in several quarters that it will operate a number of helicopters.